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Post by ScubaGirl » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:50 pm

EDIT: below I was responding to a poster called pierrot (sp?) who compared mma to pro-wresting and said it was just entertainment, not a sport. I see he/she deleted his post though :wink:

Are you kidding? MMA has nothing to do with that obnoxious & ridiculous pro-wrestling stuff. This is absolutely a real sport.

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Anyway, just watched Rampage vs Hendo. Love both fighters equally so I hate to see either of them lose. Was hoping Quinton would be able to get in one of his famous slams. There's always next time. Wonder who's next in line for him? Maybe Shogun Rua if he wins his debut UFC fight?!?!?! It'll prob be the winner of the Lidell/Jardine fight though from UFC 76.

I just gotta comment one more time about the english crowd. Even in the states the crowd almost never boos during a TITLE fight (very rarely & only if there is ZERO action). This title fight had several boos. Lame.....

Now I'm really off to bed :D


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Post by boO_fi » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:30 pm

ScubaGirl wrote:Damn, the english audience is way more brutal than the americans. Booing a DEAF fighter during his entrance??? :(

SPOILER ALERT:

ABSOLUTE F*CKING BULLSH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Matt Hamil CLEARLY won ALL THREE ROUNDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You could MAYBE argue that Bisping had the 3rd round (though I don't think so), but there is NO WAY IN HELL he had those first 2 rounds. HELL NO!!!!!!!!! Now I gotta watch another fight. I couldn't go to sleep after Cro Cop lost for the 2nd time in the octagon and I certainly won't be able to sleep after this bullsh*t call (lol, I'm too passionate over this sport). Hamil should have never let Bisping get back on his feet during those first 2 rounds. He would've certainly been able to get a submission if he kept it on the ground. The judges were smokin some serious crack though cuz even on his feet he was clearly the better fighter. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Even Bisping himself was surprised that he won :x
Interesting event..interesting weekend...in all i thought it was great fun.

I must admit I thought the English crowd would be much better than the American crowd - not booing and giving respect to the fighters. I was wrong. I heard many people make ignorant "bloodlust" comments, case in point why i said UFC is making this all commercialized in the wrong way...attracting WWF/WCW sort of fanboys. But, I think you're wrong about them booing Matt Hamil because he was deaf..they were simply booing him cause 1. he walked in to "Born in the USA" (heard a few comments of "bloody yank") 2. they were cheering for their boy Bisping.

Although i was going for bisping, i agree...that decision was wack. ANOTHER reason as to why UFC's rules suck when it comes to the decider. Well, Dana announced there will be a rematch and then let's see what happens. I felt that Bisping also thought he lost the fight, usually at the end of a fight he'll answer with intelligent questions..instead he went onto bashing and justifying his win...

When the Buffer announced the winner between the two, we heard booing from the audience. Although Bisping is the UK goldenboy and he was on home turf, a lot of people didn't agree with the decision.

All over the arena they would have the projector screens with UFC vs PRIDE flags. Quite ridiculous...I wouldn't myself consider Rampage being the posterboy for UFC since he was in PRIDE to begin with. I thought that Hendo won the fight personally, 1st round he definately got, 2,3,4 looked a tad bit even with Hendo with a slight advantage..and 3rd round it seemed rampage was a point ahead...but again, this is why decisions suck...they looked clearly at the striking and disregarded Hendo's ground game.

Right now there's talks that whomever wins the Liddell vs Jardine fight...Wanderlei will fight. Who knows, maybe Rampage will fight Shogun next, if so, he's going to get his PERSE beat to a pulp. It will be interesting to see if it ever leads to Shogun having to fight Wanderlei..cause i doubt that will ever happen or one of the fighters will turn it down. Wanderlei has said in many reports that he'd never fight a "brother" from chute boxe.
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Post by boO_fi » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:49 pm

I forgot to comment on the other fights...

I was really disappointed with CroCop's performance, although he got kicked in the nuts pretty hard (i have a pretty good photo of him holding his nuts hehe) he totally got owned by the clinch and knees. undisputed...when it comes to striking.. muay thai > *

The other prelim fights were ok...I think Thiago Silva from Chute boxe really has potential..but wow, what a slow fight. those light heavyweights...when you see them fight in real life..they look soooooooooooooo slow.

as for pierrot's comment about MMA being like wwf/wcw (how are you btw?), you are wrong. Ok, it does have the qualities which could attract the same sort of crowd (look above and see my posts about bloodlust), but, the sport in my opinion has to be the most dynamic sport in the world and really pushes the human body to its limit.

take a look at your average MMA practitioner. They are well versed in both striking (muay thai, kickboxing, boxing, etc) AND ground related martial arts (greco roman wrestling, bjj, regular jiu jitsu etc). It's constant thinking when you're in a match on how to beat your opponent..this requires fast thinking and somewhat a bit of intelligence. this sport is the true definition of endurance...let's put a cyclist, basketball player, football player whatever one dimensional sportsman there is and have them push themselves for a good 25 mins like MMA practitioners do.

There have been comparisons between other sports and MMA and some other sportsmen have been in the cage or ring with some MMA and have even admitted that it's some hard stuff.

what it comes down to, MMA rules :P
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Post by jakub » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:30 pm

silva and drwal were completely gassed out after 2 mins of fight, that why it was so slow. it was their debut in ufc and that's the reason i believe. judges fu...d hamil who should win by unanimous decision but because dana is taking care about his business in the uk it was bisping who won (he was acting as a jerk after fight saying that he was better, and showed to mat that he should come back to the wrestling mat not to mma).
mirko was strange just from the beginning - btw he had black trunks and black strap around the arm - i wonder why.
hendo vs rampage was great.

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Post by ScubaGirl » Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:45 pm

I didn't see the preliminary bouts this time around. Houston Alexander is BAD ASS btw!!! Loved his debut ufc fight and this one was even better. He's sure to be a contender one day. Also, the Mark Davies (sp?) fight was pretty awesome. All in all I think it was a good event, but I'm still pissed off by that Bisping decision. The guy has no class either. Makes me ill. Even Rampage becomes a real guy and drops the dog act once the fight is over. You see Hendo laughing at his stare down before the first round began? LMAO!

Oh, and I never thought they were booing Hamil BECAUSE he was deaf. I was just shocked that anyone would boo someone with a handicap. Who cares what song he walked in to. I mean, wasn't Bisping's song London Calling? So they both had songs with lyrics related to their home countries. It's not like the song was, "Born in the USA and everyone else should die" LOL.

Anyway UFC 76 is coming up in 2 wks already! Shall I get a babysitter and arrange a fight night??? :D Who's in?
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Post by boO_fi » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:18 pm

ScubaGirl wrote:Oh, and I never thought they were booing Hamil BECAUSE he was deaf. I was just shocked that anyone would boo someone with a handicap. Who cares what song he walked in to. I mean, wasn't Bisping's song London Calling? So they both had songs with lyrics related to their home countries. It's not like the song was, "Born in the USA and everyone else should die" LOL.
O yes sorry i apologize for not reading it properly...i guess what it boils down to is he's deaf and won't hear them heckling him :? :wink:
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Post by jakub » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:58 pm

it was rogan who said while hamil was entering the octagon and public was buuing - i don't think it makes him a difference, he can't hear it :-)
but it wasn't disrespectful, rather funny and showing stupidity of the public :D

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Post by boO_fi » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:03 pm

jakub wrote:silva and drwal were completely gassed out after 2 mins of fight, that why it was so slow. it was their debut in ufc and that's the reason i believe. judges fu...d hamil who should win by unanimous decision but because dana is taking care about his business in the uk it was bisping who won (he was acting as a jerk after fight saying that he was better, and showed to mat that he should come back to the wrestling mat not to mma).
mirko was strange just from the beginning - btw he had black trunks and black strap around the arm - i wonder why.
hendo vs rampage was great.
Actually...Dana White had nothing to do with it. He scored the bout 2-1 rounds in favour of Hamil. The 2 American judges (Cecil Peoples and Jeff Mullen) were the ones in favour of Bisping...whilst the British judge was the one in favour of Hamil.

To say the least, it was interesting to see the public (despite majority of them acting like right arsecornholios) split - loads of people booing the decision cause they felt it was unfair and the others who will support bisping no matter what cause he's the hometown boy...

I hope there's another UFC in the o2 arena the place is sweet!
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Post by ScubaGirl » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:28 pm

One of my absolute favorite fighters just signed with K-1 Heroes. Here's the article for anyone interested...

Former Pride middleweight contender, Denis Kang, has confirmed to MMAWeekly.com that he has signed a contract to fight for the K-1 Hero’s promotion in Japan.

“It got finalized actually just recently,” said Kang in an interview with MMAWeekly. “… Everything was done within the last two weeks.”

There was much speculation around Kang and K-1 over the last month. A possible match-up with Kazushi Sakuraba was mentioned, but the deal was not finished in time for that fight to materialize.

While Kang did miss out on fighting at the Hero’s event in Japan last night, he is looking to fight before the end of the year.

“There’s [a Hero’s event] in October, if not then, New Year’s for sure,” said Kang about his potential Hero’s debut.

Kang confirmed the deal was at least for one year, but wasn’t able to disclose the number of fights he might be involved in.

“You’ll be seeing me there for a while,” Kang stated about his future in K-1.

Fans in the U.S. were hoping to see the middleweight standout in the states, possibly signing with the UFC or another major promotion, but Kang says ultimately K-1 was the best place for him.

“We did talk to them a little bit,” Kang said about a deal with the UFC. “But we reached a better agreement with K-1 Hero’s, considering my situation over there in Korea and things like that. Not to say I won’t go to the UFC one day, but for now, I’m happy to be with K-1 Hero’s.”

As Kang stated, part of his deal allows him to fight in his native Korea where he has performed in the Spirit MC shows in the past. The American Top Team fighter said that was a vital part of the agreement.

“Part of the deal is that I’m still allowed to fight in Spirit MC,” said Kang. “Really, it had to be a part of the deal.”

Kang will continue training along side his teammates at American Top Team until his first K-1 Hero’s fight is scheduled.


btw, anyone see ufc fight night last that aired in the states last night? I should have it by tomorrow.
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Post by ScubaGirl » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:35 pm

Anyone see UFC 76 yet?

SPOILERS:
What a show!!!!!!!! Full of AMAZING fights packed with action and many upset victories. Glad to see Sanchez lose 2 in a row, but really crushed to see the Iceman lose another. Wonder if this means Jardine will fight Wandy in dec? The Shogun/Griffin bout was awesome & though I love both fighters, I was really happy to see Forrest get the victory especially since I was certain that Shogun would win. I've never seen him so fatigued. I hate to see the pride fighters make such disappointing debuts in the UFC.

LOL, I'm prob talking to myself now in this thread. How can anyone not love this sport??? :lol: :shock: :wink:
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Post by ScubaGirl » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:34 pm

UFC 77 anyone? I should have it by tomorrow. Can't believe there's hardly anyone here into this sport :cry:
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Post by jakub » Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:28 pm

didn't see the fights but know the results. ufc 77 had only 2 interesting fights - silva vs. franklin and sylvia vs. vera.
the fact the the most interesting fight was chosen from the fights that were not on ppv says it all...boring...

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Post by sinikala » Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:14 pm

ScubaGirl wrote:UFC 77 anyone? I should have it by tomorrow. Can't believe there's hardly anyone here into this sport :cry:
I practised karate for quite a while, I like watching boxing at the highest level, and quite liked the ring based K1 shown on Eurosport... but the little I've seen of UFC / Cage fighting / Pride? leaves me totally cold.

There is little skill in pummelling someone's face with the heel of your hand whilst they are pinned. It's only one step away from dogfighting IMHO.

Whilst I bet you'll find a few more of us into karate, judo, thai boxing etc. it's no surprise, at least not to me, that there is hardly anyone here into ufc.
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Post by ScubaGirl » Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:33 pm

sinikala wrote: There is little skill in pummelling someone's face with the heel of your hand whilst they are pinned.
From this sentence alone I can see you haven't watched any MMA events, but then again you already stated that you've hardly seen anything. I felt this same way (referring to your dogfighting comment) until I saw my first pride show some yrs ago and that changed my whole opinion of mma. There are rules and regulations and nobody has ever been killed in the history of this sport (unlike boxing, where hundreds of ppl have been killed in the ring both amateur and professional).

If I made you a compilation of some of my favorite pride, ufc & k-1 heroes matches, you'd see how much skill is involved in this sport.

@jakub, I've only seen one bout so far (Starnes vs Belcher) and I thought it was pretty exciting, though doctor had to stop the fight due to Starnes injury. Belcher has a wicked flying knee!
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Post by Johnny_Peebucks » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:22 pm

If you wanna see good matches, I really recommend you watch stuff from the Shooto organisation out of Japan...the matches are usually far better and more technical than the UFC....I was lucky enough to see them live in Tokyo.

Actually not true about deaths in MMA...1 guy has died in the ring in the Ukraine...he was old and advised not to fight due to a weak heart by the fight doctor. He fought and died..this was about 10 years ago.

The worst thing about boxing is the constant damage to the head, which doesnt happen in MMA at all...the glove size in boxing is also responsible for a lot of the brain damage. Many boxers campiagn for a smaller glove size which would result in more external damage to the face and less internal damage to the brain. Being hit with a boxing glove is like being hit with a big pillow - you get that 'whiplash' effect...it jars the brain inside the skull far more than smaller gloves. Gloves worn in MMA are smaller and don't have the same effect at all.
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