Very confused as to all of the negativity here on jobs

[shrecher]

Those at least valid for:
- sails

Shouldn't a professional also be able to spell?
(BTW: my spelling is not great either)

sorry, I'm far from native English speaker/writer.

[hychamaz]

So let me get another point straight here. Since one cannot receive unemployment through Kela for at least 6 months, you can start taking the Finnish classes (@25 euros a day). Then since they are so unhelpful at finding me a job (as stated in many of your responses, and I dont have years of experience) they will be forced to pay me unemployment after 6 months (and I will stilll take the Finnish courses) .
-Would that be about right??

[Mies Belgiasta]

I'm attending class FOR FREE. I'm living in Espoo btw. Not all classes are free though, I just got lucky my gf's folks know folks who knew about this. Ask around in your neighborhood, maybe there's free classes in your area too.

[Mies Belgiasta]

They dont handle you at all. They give you lots of smiles when you go there, but nothing concrete and no job offers.
"learning Finnish could be good I guess". "no, its not so easy to find a job when you dont know Finnish".
Actual unemployment office quotes.

When I went to the police, that twat actually said that lots of foreigners have a job, and she thinks it's not so difficult for us foreigners to find a job. I wanted to smack her face, but the glass window was in my way.

Their solution is always to "check mol.fi".

I got that response when I went to Nokia here in Viherlaakso. Nothing helps but calling these @#$%. Finnish people are pretty rude when it comes to finding a job. They all tell you to register online , but you won't hear from them after you give them a call!

[blaugrau]

I'm attending class FOR FREE.

But, even better, on the integration programme one is getting paid for learning Finnish.. The 25e is what you get, not what you pay..

[Hank W.]

Finnish people are pretty rude when it comes to finding a job.They all tell you to register online , but you won't hear from them after you give them a call!

Why all this negativity? I am again so confused.

I guess its a way to save face and not say "piss off"... maybe a polite hint that your golden sphinchter needs to be tootling in Finnish.

And then the job process take *ages* in Finland - so don't be surprised when at once theres jobs coming in the doors and windows and a small one lyming behind the kitchen sink...

[Mies Belgiasta]

Why all this negativity? I am again so confused.

I guess its a way to save face and not say "piss off"... maybe a polite hint that your golden sphinchter needs to be tootling in Finnish.

And then the job process take *ages* in Finland - so don't be surprised when at once theres jobs coming in the doors and windows and a small one lyming behind the kitchen sink...

I'm not negative, just bored waiting for a job. It seems these offices re-route you to all possible ways, and in the end you're still at the point where you started. I hope that at least next month (if by then I didn't found anything yet) I'll get that call for an interview they promised me. Lets wait and see, maybe Manpower will act first.

[Hank W.]

Its a joke the "negative", mussels & mayonnaise

Yes, they toss you around, thats why I tell people not to come here *before* they have a job - and get slagged for being a negative racist person.

No use telling people "I was right". Theres atleast 3 people here who moved to Nowheremäki and got a gilt-arse job immediately.

[MC Deli]

Yes, skilled people get hunted down abroad and brought to Finland, but it is still really difficult for skilled foreigners to get a foot in (IT being one possible exception).

completely wrong. I'm here since 2000. If you are true professional, doesn't matter in which subject you are. Under "professional" I mean:
- education Msc, PhD. professional sertificates. Finns very value education
- experience, 7-10 and more years
- skills.
- good references, publications


Those at least valid for:
- sails
- doctors
- scientist
- IT
- builder, construction works
- electric engineer

Of course for average people it is very difficult to find any work here.

That's a bit harsh. I also think 10 years and a PhD is also a bit beyond my idea of skilled. And anyway I still disagree. There are plenty of sectors where foreigners get passed over with comparable qualifications...

[shrecher]

And anyway I still disagree. There are plenty of sectors where foreigners get passed over with comparable qualifications...

I think it is normal practice. To order to work in foreign country a person should far exceed in skills, experience and eduction the local peoples.

[sinikala]

Under "professional" I mean:
- education Msc, PhD. professional sertificates. Finns very value education
- experience, 7-10 and more years

That's a bit harsh. I also think 10 years and a PhD is also a bit beyond my idea of skilled. And anyway I still disagree. There are plenty of sectors where foreigners get passed over with comparable qualifications...

Perhaps, but M.Sc. and 7 years experience is not unreasonable.

I think it is normal practice. To order to work in foreign country a person should far exceed in skills, experience and eduction the local peoples.

I think this is an important point, it seems to me that far too many people posting their intentions to move here on this board, sound like they are making the move far too early in their career.

If you want to maximise your chances of finding work abroad, then ideally you should stand out from the local candidates, i.e. you need to be able to do something better than the locals. Or something the locals are unable or unwilling to do.

[Karhunkoski]

you need to be able to do something better than the locals. Or something the locals are unable or unwilling to do.

That Fishy is absolutely spot on. The playing field is never level for immigrants in any country, never was, never will be. Having qualifications, references and solid experience isn't enough to achieve here in Finland. You need to be able to analyse the local job market, then analyse yourself, identifying what exactly you CAN do better than the locals. If you can't see anything in your skill set then you shouldn't come to Finland, you will just get pissed about, pissed on and then feel pissed off. But if you do find something, get yourself here, add some positive thinking and enjoy living in Finland

[hychamaz]

I found this great article on Foreign workers in Finland:
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Number ... 5231848247

[Mies Belgiasta]

Its a joke the "negative", mussels & mayonnaise

I know, just didn't want to hurt your ego Hank.

Yes, they toss you around, thats why I tell people not to come here *before* they have a job - and get slagged for being a negative racist person.

Well, since Finnish people are also Caucasians, I don't know why I'd be a racist. (not saying you call(ed) me that though)

No use telling people "I was right". Theres atleast 3 people here who moved to Nowheremäki and got a gilt-arse job immediately.

Well, Espoo/Helsinki is not really nowheremäki. And I knew/know I wouldn't/won't get slapped in the face with job offers, but I kind of hoped I would anyways you know. As they say in Japanese "gaman (ga) dekinai!" or "I have no patience". I've been here since beginning of October, and I'm still without a job. I hate being a freeloader, so I hope I'll get a job offer soon.

[vincebel]

im here since begenning of august and all i found is a 18hours per week job. just enough for rent and food