Very confused as to all of the negativity here on jobs

[Hank W.]

Well, a recent example is a bouncer in my local and a new guy at work. Bouncer has been in working on a cruiseliner, so we "talked shop"... my colleague has been a sailor as well. Dawned these two had been classmates in seamen's school. *Small* circles. Now to think of this like a small village where you know whose great-grandfather stole whose sheep...

[MC Deli]

whose great-grandfather stole whose sheep...

Is 'stole' a euphemism - you're not Welsh are you Hank?

[EP]

Is 'stole' a euphemism

past tense.

[donald]

So i think that third variable "finnish skills" is the actual independent variable, while foreignness enters in just a spurious correlation

Ah, but as I've said before its nothing to do with "speaking Finnish" but "acting Finnish".

From my experience (means my personal experience and throug observing others), speaking Finnish comes together with acting Finnish. If someone succeeds learning to speak the language fluenty this means he or she has been exposed a lot to Finns, which in turn turns the exposee into a little Finn. Not necessarily, but most likely.

[raamv]

Who do you think that the job will go to now? The Finn of course..cos no matter how qualified the others are its the Finn who wins..

I think you simply don't want to do anything to become better, grow as professional. You find anybody else guilty in failure to find a work except you. You blame language, some un-existing nationalism, whatever else, except the lack of passion. With such attitude I very wondering why do you come here. Finland offers enormous amount of different courses in different specialties. You just sit on your ass and do nothing.

Dont take just that sentence out of context...
You are in essence repeating what I said.
Now, If you dont know Finland by now, you need to realize that the culture here is that "You are responsible for your own well being" and this is not a culture where things are spoon-fed to you!!! This is taught from the time you are born ....
As for blaming something, Without knowing HOW and what BASICS are needed, you dont start blaming.. and that is what we re saying: The basics needed are in essence to understand Culture, which in turn requires some understanding of the language..which in turn needs some understanding of History etc..
The passion and other crap that you would like to call comes from within..
No matter what amount of courses Finland has to offer, you need the bl**dy immigrant to first of all , know about them and then get up on their A$$es and attend them due diligently.. and this in turn requires knowing where to go and find out ...

[Mies Belgiasta]

No we're not... or do you see cossacks riding around?

Erm, yes you are. You sure as heck ain't mongoloid or negroid. Finnish isn't a European language though, it's Finno-Ugric, as you might now already.

[olofsson]

Finnish isn't a European language though, it's Finno-Ugric, as you might now already.

But afaik spoken in Europe, hence a European language.

[Mies Belgiasta]

Finnish isn't a European language though, it's Finno-Ugric, as you might now already.

But afaik spoken in Europe, hence a European language.

If you're an American living in Helsinki, does that make you European?

[interleukin]

If you're an American living in Helsinki, does that make you European?

If your family has lived in Helsinki for long enough, then yes (read: several generations).

I think Finnish has been spoken in Europe for long enough to qualify as European.

[donald]

Finnish isn't a European language though, it's Finno-Ugric, as you might now already.

Linguists do not refer to "European languages" as a language family.

Apart from this, also other points of view than the linguistic one are allowed. Eg. speaking geographically, Finnish is definitely a European language.

Coming back to linguistic things, linguists refer to "European languages" not in the meaning of a language family, but in the meaning of a set of traits that languages spoken in Europe share which differ from most of the other 6000 spoken languages worldwide, regardless to which language family they belong. Don't ask me what those traits exactly are, I don't remember and I'm not going back to ask my former professor of general linguistics.

[EP]

If the fact that same language-family languages are also spoken in Asia is the criteria, then English is not a European language either. It belongs to the same family as Hindi.

[Hank W.]

No we're not... or do you see cossacks riding around?

Erm, yes you are.

Oh well... don't say I didn't warn you...if you really got a death wish, I can introduce you to a couple Russian friends of mine and you can go tell them they're "Caucasian"...

In Russia, the term Caucasian is a collective term which refers to anyone descended from the native ethnicities of the Caucasus. In Russian slang, Caucasian people and Central Asians fall into the category of black. This is not necessarily associated with skin colour, but rather the color of hair and their non-Slavic facial appearance — since most North Caucasians and Russians have the same skin colour (although South Caucasians mostly have darker skin).Members of these ethnicities are often depicted as dangerous savages who are a threat to public safety.

[Mies Belgiasta]

No we're not... or do you see cossacks riding around?

Erm, yes you are.

Oh well... don't say I didn't warn you...if you really got a death wish, I can introduce you to a couple Russian friends of mine and you can go tell them they're "Caucasian"...

In Russia, the term Caucasian is a collective term which refers to anyone descended from the native ethnicities of the Caucasus. In Russian slang, Caucasian people and Central Asians fall into the category of black. This is not necessarily associated with skin colour, but rather the color of hair and their non-Slavic facial appearance — since most North Caucasians and Russians have the same skin colour (although South Caucasians mostly have darker skin).Members of these ethnicities are often depicted as dangerous savages who are a threat to public safety.

kysymys: Are you Finnish, American or Russian? Did I say RUSSIANS are Caucasian? I said Finnish people are, I think the Sami don't qualify as Europeans though. Afaik from what I've read at least.

[EP]

If the Sami are not Europeans, who are? They were in Europe before just about anybody else. Certainly they were first in northern Europe, present day Sweden and Norway included.

[Mies Belgiasta]

If the Sami are not Europeans, who are? They were in Europe before just about anybody else. Certainly they were first in northern Europe, present day Sweden and Norway included.

Whoops, I meant "Caucasian".