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Post by shrecher » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:40 am

raamv wrote:
Are you really that Stupid to realize that ANY profession that deals with ANY kind of customer service REQUIRES Finnish as a prerequisite and Swedish as preferred?
First requirement is your education. Next, requirement is your qualification and experience. The last requirement is your international references. Finnish language is a plus, but not compulsory.



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Post by sammy » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:43 am

shrecher wrote:Finnish language is a plus, but not compulsory.
:lol:

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Post by interleukin » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:04 pm

shrecher wrote:
Finnish language is a plus, but not compulsory.
A brain is a plus on this forum, but not compulsory :)
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Post by Quin » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:18 pm

shrecher wrote:
First requirement is your education. Next, requirement is your qualification and experience. The last requirement is your international references. Finnish language is a plus, but not compulsory.
Since you dont speak finnish i will help you out here.

In finnish one reads from the bottom to the top and the word 'not' does not exist.

So they will always read the finnish language requirement first and it is compulsary

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Post by shrecher » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:34 pm

It is very pity to see some UK flags been disagree with me :( Most likely you have very big troubles in finding job here.

I'm only wondering why you do people come here and for whom the EU was created. All EU citizens could freely migrate across borders to work at any of the states. Finland is one of such states. You don't use this opportunity.

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Post by Tiwaz » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:45 pm

shrecher wrote:It is very pity to see some UK flags been disagree with me :( Most likely you have very big troubles in finding job here.

I'm only wondering why you do people come here and for whom the EU was created. All EU citizens could freely migrate across borders to work at any of the states. Finland is one of such states. You don't use this opportunity.
In order to work, someone must employ you. Having right to work does not mean you have right to HAVE work.

And to this date, people hiring people who do not speak dominant local language for anything dealing with customers are exceptionally rare.

Having for example doctor who does not speak finnish treating finnish patients would be same as having doctor who is deaf and mute.

What good is person incapable of speaking with customers in task where you are in customer contact?
Your assumption that because finns by and large can speak english they must not have preference to speak finnish is false.

Finn is most comfortable when dealing in his own native language. If he has to, he will use other language. But he might take his business to place where he can use his preferred language, and employers know this.

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Post by rinso » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:54 pm

shrecher wrote: First requirement is your education. Next, requirement is your qualification and experience. The last requirement is your international references. Finnish language is a plus, but not compulsory.
After the initial selection, as employer you end up with a number of people with adequate education, experience and a reference. Then you pick the one you trust most, i.e. the one with a Finnish reference and Finnish language skills. Only when there are no Finns with adequate qualifications, you pick the foreigner.

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Post by shrecher » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:02 pm

rinso wrote: After the initial selection, as employer you end up with a number of people with adequate education, experience and a reference.
Just be better then Finns. Have better education, wider and longer experience, professional certificates. Be stronger then locals.
This is rule to work at any foreign country. Try to find work from here in US, it will be the same story.

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Post by sammy » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:17 pm

shrecher wrote:Try to find work from here in US, it will be the same story.
Perhaps you'd care to fill in the missing bit from the following dialogue...

prospective US employer: G'day how can I help you?

Finnish jobseeker: Päivää vaan! Minulla on ylempi korkeakoulututkinto hyvin arvosanoin, neljä vuotta työkokemusta ja olen muutenkin parempi työntekijä kuin nuo tätä samaa työtä hakevat amerikkalaiset. En tosin puhu englantia, mutta tässä ovat todistukseni ja suositukseni. Saanko paikan?

prospective US employer: __________________________________

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Post by raamv » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:21 pm

shrecher wrote: Just be better then Finns. Have better education, wider and longer experience, professional certificates. Be stronger then locals.
This is rule to work at any foreign country. Try to find work from here in US, it will be the same story.
Herre we go again!!!:.What you re saying above is a MUST as in a prerequisite.. If you dont have those, you end up Jobless aka unemployed aka on the dole FOR months and years..and thinking positive Inside just to survive then becomes a MUST!!!
It Doesnt matter if you are more qualified AND HAVE more stronger in your work experience outside Finland: If you dont have the right "connections" to get a job..you are not going to get it by just simply applying for an open advertisement...
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Post by shrecher » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:21 pm

sammy wrote:
shrecher wrote:Try to find work from here in US, it will be the same story.
Don't compare Finnish and English. First is used by 5M ppl, last is rest of the world. Finns very well speak English. Many companyes (e.g. Neste Oil) apply English as official language.

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Post by sammy » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:29 pm

shrecher wrote:Finns very well speak English.
Can't argue with that :twisted: :lol:

Joking aside, the thing is that no matter how I like the English language, and no matter how fluently I can use it, I still remain 'a Finn' and prefer to conduct my daily business in my own language (which is not English mind you). So do the 5+ million other natives. And you, dear reader, have very little say in that...

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Post by shrecher » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:30 pm

raamv wrote:If you dont have the right "connections" to get a job..you are not going to get it by just simply applying for an open advertisement...
I think it is very loose position. Simply trying to explain self weakness in specialty.

PS: Your explanations or rude words won't convince and have no impact on me.

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Post by raamv » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:37 pm

shrecher wrote:I think it is very loose position. Simply trying to explain self weakness in specialty.
Se on Hullu!! Tosi! mielipuolinen!!

PS: Your explanations or rude words won't convince and have no impact on me.[/quote]
samoi!! Ei tarvi suun paha selityksenä!!
now what!! :twisted:
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Post by shrecher » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:41 pm

raamv wrote:...
sorry, I was mistaken, I meant exclamations.
Your exclamations or rude words won't convince and have no impact on me.


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