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Re: interior and product design

Post by raamv » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:35 am

annekmc wrote:The general preference here appears to be white, grey or light blue walls with any colour coming by way of curtains rugs and sofas, no idea why really.
Easy to understand when you face Darkness and Rain day after day for many months....
Light colors reflect well and makes the room(s) look brighter and bigger..
The same goes for the culture of Leaving the blinds as open as possible..to let as much light in as possible..


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Re: interior and product design

Post by Oberon » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:14 pm

raamv wrote:Well, then she has to get into interior interior err. designing.. eh!!
The works used by you are pretty much very niche and only high end people who can afford that uses those kinds of designers..but then what makes you so unique?
I mean, I ask this question pretty much to everyone who thinks that they can be a MIchael jackson or Ja Ja gabor or Busta Rhymes...
What makes you or your work so Unique that you can qualify to get a job pretty much with what you know?
Otherwise, who do you know? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :roll: :twisted: :wink:

I'm asking you and all the dark-minded posters here:

Do you think that you have a job because you are the best/exceptional in what you are doing? or because you are Finnish version of MIchael jackson (Mikko Jacksonen or so)?

"What makes you or your work so Unique that you can qualify to get a job pretty much with what you know? Otherwise, who do you know?" before you ask something think whether you can answer your questions yourself?"

It's true that Finland is not easy country for foreigner to find a job but come on, it's too much. Sounds silly to say it's impossible unless you are the best in your field or you are Jackson itself.

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Re: interior and product design

Post by Upphew » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:43 pm

Oberon wrote: I'm asking you and all the dark-minded posters here:

Do you think that you have a job because you are the best/exceptional in what you are doing? or because you are Finnish version of MIchael jackson (Mikko Jacksonen or so)?
Its Mikko Alatalo ;)
Oberon wrote: "What makes you or your work so Unique that you can qualify to get a job pretty much with what you know? Otherwise, who do you know?" before you ask something think whether you can answer your questions yourself?"

It's true that Finland is not easy country for foreigner to find a job but come on, it's too much. Sounds silly to say it's impossible unless you are the best in your field or you are Jackson itself.
Finland is not easy country even for Finn if one doesn't know someone. I have my job not because what I know or am good at, but because who I know. Employing someone is big thing in Finland, and when I say big I mean expensive. Getting rid of unwanted employees used to be quite hard so employers tend to hire people they know: even if they don't get the best, they don't have to do all hiring process again.
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Re: interior and product design

Post by Pursuivant » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:57 pm

Oberon wrote: I'm asking you and all the dark-minded posters here:

Do you think that you have a job because you are the best/exceptional in what you are doing? or because you are Finnish version of MIchael jackson (Mikko Jacksonen or so)?
ah see now the difference is not if you are the best - if you can convince someone hiring you are the best... and that requires "good vibes"... and Finns don't resonate always that well... but I've been now following a few peoples job hunting and it is really not a cakewalk
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Re: interior and product design

Post by raamv » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:33 pm

Oberon wrote: I'm asking you and all the dark-minded posters here:
Just cos we ask questions like this, doesnt make it dark-minded.. its questions like this that the interviewer will the "Thinking" to ask yet say nothing.. :wink:
Do you think that you have a job because you are the best/exceptional in what you are doing? or because you are Finnish version of MIchael jackson (Mikko Jacksonen or so)?
Most People that I know and my co-worker didnt just come by magically by applying... They knew someone who knew someone...
After all, Finland is still small place and so word goes around easily...
"What makes you or your work so Unique that you can qualify to get a job pretty much with what you know? Otherwise, who do you know?" before you ask something think whether you can answer your questions yourself?"
I wouldn't have typed that if I am not able to answer that question myself.! :roll: and I know that I am unique with the work that I do!! I dont need to convince you though!! :roll: :twisted:
It's true that Finland is not easy country for foreigner to find a job but come on, it's too much. Sounds silly to say it's impossible unless you are the best in your field or you are Jackson itself.
Well, lets see you change jobs here or try to get a promotion asap... try to behave like a foreigner and expect the same benefits as a Finn... Its not easy but at least the ones who have jobs know difficult it was to get it and how precious it is to keep it!!
This holds true for Finns too!!
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Re: interior and product design

Post by dessi_tm » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:34 pm

I don't have to convince you that I'm the best, because it's hard to tell about someone that is the best in any domain. Anyway, you can bring something new or not. And about that, without modesty, I know that I can bring here something new, because I know what I'm capable of;I saw few interiors, and it seemed very boring. In my opinion, the place where you live, must reflect your personality! Of course, I have so much to learn in this domain. :)
I agree with Persuivant, you must know how to sell yourself!
Unfortunately, I'm a bit scared of what you told me about the finnish, :( ,that they won't hire unknown people. Hope at least they'll give me the opportunity to show them what I can do! :wink:
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Re: interior and product design

Post by raamv » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:50 pm

dessi_tm wrote:I don't have to convince you that I'm the best, because it's hard to tell about someone that is the best in any domain. Anyway, you can bring something new or not. And about that, without modesty, I know that I can bring here something new, because I know what I'm capable of;I saw few interiors, and it seemed very boring. In my opinion, the place where you live, must reflect your personality! Of course, I have so much to learn in this domain. :)
I agree with Persuivant, you must know how to sell yourself!
Unfortunately, I'm a bit scared of what you told me about the finnish, :( ,that they won't hire unknown people. Hope at least they'll give me the opportunity to show them what I can do! :wink:
Agreed that you dont have to convince me or others in this forum... I posted it to ask yourself that Q..
The thing with "something new" is that It goes thro the "change" or "resistance" curve and that is probably the most difficult thing that you ll face if you depend on those things "new"... I know this as Ive been dealing with this for some time..
Another thing in Finland is that no one tells you that change is good or bad...but when someone doesnt like something..then they show their passive resistance to the change...
Your capability to bring something new is good if you can convince your customers that they are willing to accept that new..
I know what I'm capable of;I saw few interiors, and it seemed very boring.
Initially, I thought similar things like this..so look through the eyes of a Finn and see it..It might not be boring at all.. it might be practical, sensible and sufficient..
If you dont understand the Inner working of the culture..it doenst matter what interior design you want to bring..it will not fly..
recently, Even Marimekko has to turn outside Finland to make their sustenance.
In my opinion, the place where you live, must reflect your personality! Of course, I have so much to learn in this domain. :)
This will most probably help you in learning Finland's cultural aspect of interior design..
Have you travelled to different cultural districts here to find out whether those interiors are boring?
I suggest to start with a trip to Hanko, Fiskars, Parainen etc ( West) then maybe to Haikko, Lahti, Lapeenranta etc..(East)
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Re: interior and product design

Post by Pursuivant » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:56 pm

dessi_tm wrote: In my opinion, the place where you live, must reflect your personality!
well I guess that then means a lot of Finns are... boring :wink:

I get slandered about my "19th century brothel" - style even I didn't go with the velvet wallpaper... I'll do that when I get philty rich
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Re: interior and product design

Post by dessi_tm » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:09 pm

not necessary! just that they haven't met so often more dynamic interiors, more colored. it is like the artistic currents....it's all in evolution precess! I think is impossible that here in Finland, will be used only this kind of interior design;
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Re: interior and product design

Post by raamv » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:14 pm

dessi_tm wrote:not necessary! just that they haven't met so often more dynamic interiors, more colored. it is like the artistic currents....it's all in evolution precess! I think is impossible that here in Finland, will be used only this kind of interior design;
Finns are one of the most informed people about the world...So that argument is moot point..
There are dynamic artistic interiors in Finland ( Try Hvittrask for a start)..and exteriors... but generally, they have been for the artistic type and the Rich and wealthy..
Its all in the evolution process: which is pretty rather slow in the interior dept. as Finns are very personal and picky when it comes to choice of interior...and dynamism might not work well..
Owh well..it looks like you dont want a Finnish lens...but a pink one.. :wink: :roll:
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Re: interior and product design

Post by annekmc » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:40 pm

raamv wrote:
annekmc wrote:The general preference here appears to be white, grey or light blue walls with any colour coming by way of curtains rugs and sofas, no idea why really.
Easy to understand when you face Darkness and Rain day after day for many months....
Light colors reflect well and makes the room(s) look brighter and bigger..
The same goes for the culture of Leaving the blinds as open as possible..to let as much light in as possible..

Yes but the rooms feel so cold and lets face it when it's -15 outside and you are in a big white room at say +21, it definately feels colder than in a cosy looking room at +21. I know because we tried it.

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Re: interior and product design

Post by Tiwaz » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:59 pm

annekmc wrote:
raamv wrote:
annekmc wrote:The general preference here appears to be white, grey or light blue walls with any colour coming by way of curtains rugs and sofas, no idea why really.
Easy to understand when you face Darkness and Rain day after day for many months....
Light colors reflect well and makes the room(s) look brighter and bigger..
The same goes for the culture of Leaving the blinds as open as possible..to let as much light in as possible..

Yes but the rooms feel so cold and lets face it when it's -15 outside and you are in a big white room at say +21, it definately feels colder than in a cosy looking room at +21. I know because we tried it.

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But at the same time it looks smaller and more constricted.

Specially during winter when you do not want to spend too much time, such style could make it feel like walls are toppling over you.

Apartments are small as they are, if decorations make them feel even smaller...

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Re: interior and product design

Post by dessi_tm » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:28 pm

I don't mind telling you that I like more the after version! Not everything is abut space; In my opinion, a space with personality but crowded is more nice that a not crowded one without any colour. Of course, in the same time there are white spaces, not being common. It's all about variety!
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Re: interior and product design

Post by Pursuivant » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:40 pm

wow, velvet bordello curtains just like at my place...

OK, dessi_tm just go browse "huoneistokeskus" and the pictures of peoples houses...
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Re: interior and product design

Post by trueman » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:55 pm

I think most people have missed the point... The designer creates an environment for the client, all clients have differnt tastes, i have seen many different interiors in Finnish homes. They younger generations seemed to have ikea setups and the older ones have had greek islands feel, traditional finnish designer wares to sleek modern minimalist...

But as for finding work your best bet is to put yourself out there...From my experience it is extreamly hard to find a job without qualifications & not speaking the language. As has been discussed knowing someone is the best way of getting work... all my jobs back home have come from refferals.
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