Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

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Re: Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

Post by Kupcake » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:09 pm

Paul_D wrote:By the way, any comparison of ear-piercing with female circumcision is a shame, and it just reveals ignorance or strong intolerance from the person doing such comparison.
If you re-read the post, the question was
Kupcake wrote:I can't help wondering if this argument holds well
That is, the argument (or question) of "alterations" to a person without the person's consent, based on cultural norms. FGM is at the extreme end of cultural norms. I am not ignorant of the extremity of it, and i certainly would never tolerate it. But then again i would never allow anybody to pierce my child's ears, or make any other alterations to their body, before my child was old enough to consent.

Still, sorry if i offended anybody.


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Re: Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

Post by Paul_D » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:27 pm

Kupcake wrote:If you re-read the post, the question was
Kupcake wrote:I can't help wondering if this argument holds well
That is, the argument (or question) of "alterations" to a person without the person's consent, based on cultural norms. FGM is at the extreme end of cultural norms. I am not ignorant of the extremity of it, and i certainly would never tolerate it. But then again i would never allow anybody to pierce my child's ears, or make any other alterations to their body, before my child was old enough to consent.

Still, sorry if i offended anybody.
Ok, I agree you rather compared the argumentation, and you were not exactly comparing the practices of ear piercing and female circumcision. And it's very nice of you to feel sorry if anyone got offended :thumbsup:

In my opinion, ear-piercing is at a very low end of the body modification, and male circumcision is a more significant body modification, especially when performed for religious reason. Again, I point this recent piece of news: Supreme Court: Properly performed religious based male circumcision no crime I strongly doubt that the supreme court would rule over ear-piercing... and maybe that the law already rules on the definition of it (someting like : only the lobe can be pierced for persons less than 18 years old), and for those who are not adults yet, the law may already rule against any other piercing (lips, tits, forehead, skull, neck, penis, etc.), against tattoo, etc. At least, I hope the law does rule on those...

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Re: Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

Post by Deman » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:39 pm

This OP, Olga, who is quite clearly Spanish or has very strong connections to Spain asked a very simple question and not to be ridiculed by obnoxious high-horsed "I'm much better than thou art" simpletons. It is a cultural thing that the Spanish do to a lot of their baby girls. Does this make Spanish parents morons?
sinikala wrote: If I ever see a baby with pierced ears, I must admit I think the parent is a moron.
Does this mean they deserve punishment because they are bringing a bit of their own culture to a foreign land?
sinikala wrote:Anyone wanting to pierce a baby needs to take themselves outside and give themselves a damned good kicking.
This is not a crime and as Finland is a western society, we do have some freedom here.

I have 3 girls, none of whom have their ears pierced. Why? Because it's my and their mother's choice. A choice which we're free to have and not forced into by some frustrated biddies.

As for the OP's original question - sorry can't help you out. :(

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Re: Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

Post by Pursuivant » Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:48 pm

Deman wrote: because they are bringing a bit of their own culture to a foreign land?
so what next? goats on the balcony?
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Re: Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

Post by Amandine.K » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:10 pm

Hey there's a guy with a pet goat in Lehtisaari so it's not that far off! :lol:

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Re: Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

Post by Olga » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:01 pm

Well, I guess I will leave the idea to do it in Finland. From Finnish-speaking forums I already knew the negative attitude of the local people towards baby earrings.

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Re: Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

Post by sinikala » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:43 pm

Deman wrote:Does this make Spanish parents morons?
Spanish parents who decide to punch holes in their kids' skin ... yes. Spanish people who like to stick sharp objects into bulls ... also display moronic tendencies.
Deman wrote:
sinikala wrote:If I ever see a baby with pierced ears, I must admit I think the parent is a moron.
Does this mean they deserve punishment because they are bringing a bit of their own culture to a foreign land?
No, it means they deserve punishment for needlessly making holes in a child. This is not a hard principle to grasp.
Deman wrote:
sinikala wrote:Anyone wanting to pierce a baby needs to take themselves outside and give themselves a damned good kicking.
This is not a crime and as Finland is a western society, we do have some freedom here.
You are correct, sadly it is not a crime.
Deman wrote:I have 3 girls, none of whom have their ears pierced. Why? Because it's my and their mother's choice. A choice which we're free to have and not forced into by some frustrated biddies.
Don't think I've ever been called a biddy. A first, so well done :lol: . Congrats also on resisting what must be a strong temptation to punch holes in your children's ears.
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Re: Hki area: where to pierce ears to baby-girl?

Post by stellal » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:54 pm

this shows that they are opinionated, whats there to worry about it?


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