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Post by Karhunkoski » Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:41 pm

dampa wrote: It is same thing if VR says they dont have money to run the company and they dont have enough customers to get enough funds to run the company and they would start sending a fee to everyone in Finland so that they can keep VR afloat whether you travel on VR or not.

Actually VR is already heavily subsidised by the Finnish taxpayer, but I guess you thought your ticket price actually covered the operating costs? :roll:

I see all YLE's media services as a necessity for the population. The government and the national broadcaster have a responsibility to educate the population. Pretty much in the same way that they have an obligation to build schools to educate kids, to build playgrounds to entertain children, neither of which are of direct use to me, but they indirectly benefit me in other ways, the government must build and maintain a road infrastructure, most of which many of us will never use, but we benefit perhaps because it is used to deliver our food, or to deliver paper to our offices, etc, etc, etc.

People need to look further than their own little selfish world.

Anyway, it's of course just another tax. Not such a bad one, as we know the money goes towards making a service available for everyone. This will benefit some directly, some indirectly, but one thing is sure, it will benefit society as a whole.


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Post by Upphew » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:55 pm

Karhunkoski wrote:Anyway, it's of course just another tax. Not such a bad one, as we know the money goes towards making a service available for everyone. This will benefit some directly, some indirectly, but one thing is sure, it will benefit society as a whole.
If it is tax, why not include it to taxes then? Then we would have progression and not this quite hefty fee for students and pensioners.

edit. and why call it media fee, if all the money goes to yle?
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Post by MikeD » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:32 pm

Upphew wrote:If it is tax, why not include it to taxes then? Then we would have progression and not this quite hefty fee for students and pensioners.
The reason YLE is not funded by tax money is that the government decides how tax money is distributed. Being dependant on the government would mean YLE's journalistic integrity (I'm assuming they have some) would be compromised.

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Post by SteveS » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:53 pm

I'm all for this, there is a number of people I work with who are proud that they have never paid their license fee... :evil: It is these kind of people who make it so expensive for the rest of us that do pay..

Why rich people should pay more than students to watch TV??? Does milk cost more for a rich man than for a student? It is just a commodity. If you want it you pay for it, full-stop..

I would hope that they would stream TV, live across the internet with a catch-up service similar to what they do in the UK though :wink:

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Post by otyikondo » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:53 pm

Part of the objection to SUOMI-SOFFA - GENUINE NAUGAHYDE 3 PIECE SUITES FOR 999.99! the replacement of a fee with advertising is that not everybody DNA BROADBAND FOR 9.95/ MONTH PLUS ONE OF YOUR KIDNEYS wishes their viewing experience to be LAMBI, LIKE WIPING YOUR ARSE WITH SILK interrupted every ten minutes for SHOKKITARJOUS! the presentation of a commercial for a product or service BMW - AJAMISEN ILOA AND THE ULTIMATE PENIS-EXTENDER that they do not want or need. The need to LAPIN KULTA - LIKE SEX IN A CANOE turn to the refrigerator for a bottle of Punk IPA every INSTRUMENTARIUM - FOUR EYES GOOD, TWO EYES BAD few minutes greatly increases the cost of watching.

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Post by Karhunkoski » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:45 pm

SteveS wrote:I'm all for this, there is a number of people I work with who are proud that they have never paid their license fee... :evil: It is these kind of people who make it so expensive for the rest of us that do pay..

Why rich people should pay more than students to watch TV??? Does milk cost more for a rich man than for a student? It is just a commodity. If you want it you pay for it, full-stop..
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Post by luomu » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:53 pm

Over my dead body!

I've just read about this "Media Fee" on HS English website and I'm infuriated. This stupid idea better not be approved by the parliament. There's no way I pay 175€ a year for something I never use. I do not have a TV, I do not watch YLE or any Finnish channel, and I should still pay? Who do they think they are? What do they think they produce, life extension recipes? It's just some stupid TV programs for god's sake, they're not providing anything that people would be absolutely depending on. At the moment I'm struggling to make ends meet, I have to deal with Kela's and that social service's narrow-mindedness, and still those morons think it would be ok that everyone in this country, regardless of their situation, condition, and TV usage, would pay an exorbitant 175€ annual fee for something as trivial as television programs? Definitely the idea of some self-centered executive who thinks everyone owns a car, a house and a goddamn TV.

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Post by llewellyn » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:27 pm

Well, I pretty much avoid terveyskeskus if humanly possible, but gladly pay taxes to support them. I would pay even more if it was guaranteed that money would go for their upkeep. On average people have awful tastes: in free competition crap will always win over quality. YLE is a hugely important addition to the commercial media that couldn't care less of quality or independent news services. I guess the present license fee system is not sustainable for much longer, so this tax is an improvement - though there is a risk of increased political control here. A system that would let YLE be independent of both the market (read disgusting reality-tv crap) and the politicians would be ideal.
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Post by Mark I. » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:30 pm

I think it's a very good idea. The present system "not everybody pays, and there's inspectors knocking on doors" is completely stupid and outdated. I personally know wealthy people, for whom it's kind of pride or game of not paying. Believe me, there's a lots of people watching TV without paying TV license. Furthermore, the public media service is for every person, regardless of having a telly or not. There's also internet, radio, mobile phones... it's part of the system, with crisis management announcements, instructions etc.

I welcome this change, and I don't have to pay for other's TV watching. Taking the money from the budget would be even better, as long as politician's political control over budget money would be eliminated (independent media).

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Post by Jukka Aho » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:38 pm

luomu wrote:I do not have a TV, I do not watch YLE or any Finnish channel, and I should still pay?
As said before in this thread, it is not just about TV, but their radio and web services too. (It is expected that the lines between TV, radio, and Internet will be getting increasingly blurred as the time marches on – not only for YLE but for all broadcasters – and you can access the same content in various forms on many devices which are not your traditional TVs.)
luomu wrote:Who do they think they are? What do they think they produce, life extension recipes? It's just some stupid TV programs for god's sake,
The legal responsibilities of YLE have been codified in Laki Yleisradio Oy:stä (“Act on Yleisradio Oy”; unofficial English translation.) See Chapter 3, Section 7, “Public Service”.
 
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Post by easily-lost » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:42 pm

sandundasa wrote: All households would be required to pay the proposed media fee, which would take effect in 2011.
They want to make sure everybody gets more stupid faster, so that we can give all the money back to the "source" sooner.
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Post by pseudo » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:51 pm

Next govt comes, says it wants to reduce the fee to just 100 euros -> YLE shows family interviews of the politicians :twisted:

So much for journalism integrity!
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Post by luomu » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:21 pm

Jukka Aho wrote:As said before in this thread, it is not just about TV, but their radio and web services too. (It is expected that the lines between TV, radio, and Internet will be getting increasingly blurred as the time marches on – not only for YLE but for all broadcasters – and you can access the same content in various forms on many devices which are not your traditional TVs.)
It makes no difference to me since I do not have a radio and I don't use YLE's Internet sites. Besides, even if I did go to YLE's website, why should they receive 175€ just for that? I run a website too, well, I'd be curious to know what would make YLE website especially deserving to receive money and not mine.

If I use electricity, I pay for it, if I drink water, if I eat food, same thing, I pay for what I consume. But if I don't use them, I am not going to be charged. YLE doesn't come close to the importance of any of these and yet they want everyone to pay regardless of their usage? It's an ignominy. If they have trouble to make ends meet, well, they adapt, they reduce their spendings, just like everyone else.

All broadcasters? But the money is only for YLE. Again, what makes them so special? If they are such a symbol of Finnish culture, then they should receive public tax money directly from the state's hands, as it is proportional to people's wealth and thus fair. Finland's economic situation is far from being dramatic, the government was still capable to offer tax cuts in spite of the coming crisis, they could very well subsidize YLE if it is so badly needed.

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Post by Mark I. » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:29 pm

luomu wrote:
Jukka Aho wrote:As said before in this thread, it is not just about TV, but their radio and web services too. (It is expected that the lines between TV, radio, and Internet will be getting increasingly blurred as the time marches on – not only for YLE but for all broadcasters – and you can access the same content in various forms on many devices which are not your traditional TVs.)
It makes no difference to me since I do not have a radio and I don't use YLE's Internet sites. Besides, even if I did go to YLE's website, why should they receive 175€ just for that? I run a website too, well, I'd be curious to know what would make YLE website especially deserving to receive money and not mine.

If I use electricity, I pay for it, if I drink water, if I eat food, same thing, I pay for what I consume. But if I don't use them, I am not going to be charged. YLE doesn't come close to the importance of any of these and yet they want everyone to pay regardless of their usage? It's an ignominy. If they have trouble to make ends meet, well, they adapt, they reduce their spendings, just like everyone else.

All broadcasters? But the money is only for YLE. Again, what makes them so special? If they are such a symbol of Finnish culture, then they should receive public tax money directly from the state's hands, as it is proportional to people's wealth and thus fair. Finland's economic situation is far from being dramatic, the government was still capable to offer tax cuts in spite of the coming crisis, they could very well subsidize YLE if it is so badly needed.
Well, as you live in Finland as a foreigner, it's not up to you to make a personal choice about rules in our society, like not paying taxes because not using terveyskeskus. "...over my dead body..." I'd suggest a less dramatic solution: Leave Finland.

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Post by karel » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:40 pm

Now they're all good and generous to say that it's *only* 175€. But what happens one or two years down the line?
I wouldn't be surprised if the charge would be 250€ within two years.
Inflational excuse...

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