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[debonaire]

Quite a lot...Recently,3 more foreigners joined our company,a brazilian,a chinese and a french with apparently no knowledge of finnish..Atleast the HRs of our company believe in hiring the right talent rather than hiring some bloke who speaks finnish fluently but has no clue how to do the job...And just for the record,all those people working in our company who are not fluent in finnish are being imparted a 2 hour finnish language course every week...

There is a shortage of hundreds of nurses in Helsinki, so my professional training is very desirable right now. See how your point is not valid here? If it was only a question of training then surely I would not have a problem finding a job, in fact I would probably already have one. Oh but wait, I don't speak the language! How am I supposed to take care of Finnish speaking patients if I can't understand what they're saying to me or if I can't answer back...

Exactly thats what I had said...that for being a nurse you have to master the language...Its an essential part of your work domain...Thats why I said the language becomes a constraint depending in which sector you are seeking a job...For you its a must but for guys working on similar positions like me,finnish language is not a necessity..


[/quote]Again good for you but don't make it sound like we are the exception not to find a job straight after landing in this country. You are the exception. I have numerous examples of people who came here with PhD, MSc and who struggled finding work. Or people who like you came, found a niche job, and got unemployed after a year because their contract expired or the employer had to cut on staff. Well guess what? Their lovely diplomas didn't help at all. One had to go back to France, another one had to go back to school to change her career completely so that she could stay here and make a living. It's not that easy![/quote]

Neither are you an exception nor I am...I can give you plenty examples of people getting employed and the language not being an impediment..As for me i have already worked for over 18 months and my job is a permanent one...As for getting unemployed in the future I really don't see it happening...and in case the worst happens due to unforseen circumstances,I am smart enough to insure my future...I appreciate your concern for my future but I am capable to handle it very efficiently...
The important thing is that we cannot generalise the prevailing employment situation depending on yours and mine experiences...Now,even though there is no job security,it doesn't mean that I am gonna run away from Finland by getting scared thinking of an insecured future...If thats the case,then i would be virtually running away all my life as there is no place/country where your job is 100% secured...

See the point is that you want to work in the nursing profession for which it is expected of nurses to be fluent in finnish as you will be interacting with the local patients...So,in your case finnish is instrumental in getting a job...
On the contrary,I am working in an MNC and dealing with customers globally...and our company language is English...So it is not expected of me to learn finnish as long as I am fluent in English and fits the job profile suitably...

[/quote]You make it sound like I'm the dumb one and you're the smartest! [/quote]
Sorry if it sounded like that but it was just a statement to validate my views expressed in the last paragraph...I think you are a highly talented person who has been so far unfortunate to find a job since the language is an integral part of the deal...As for me I am close to perfection...
Just kidding....

[debonaire]

Sorry but a personal success to obtain a job cannot be applied as a universal model.
There are big differences in the job market. In niche job it can be easy, even without a (Finnish) degree. In other jobs factors like foreigner, foreign degree, no Finnish skills can become a major obstacle.
Don't present your personal experience as the standard for foreigners.

Sorry but on the same note a personal failure to obtain a job cannot be applied as a universal model too...We can go on arguing about how many immigrants are employed or unemployed...The important thing is that here in finland refugees account for a major proportion of immigrants....err unemployed immigrants...Its common sense that most of the refugees lack the basic language and technical skills to enter the labor market...and we cannot blame them for their apathy as most of them have probably undergone some traumatic experience in the course of their lives and forsed to flee...So if we talk about unemployment in the context of refugees,then ofcorse,as the statictics reveal,that immigrants are 2.5 times more likely to be unemployed as opposed to natives...So don't rely on such twisted statistics as the standard case for foreigners...

Getting a job depends on one's qualifiactions and the domain where the person is seeking a job...For public sector jobs,where there is a lot of interaction with the locals,your are essentially required to speak finnish...On the other hand,for private sector jobs where companies are dealing in customers globally and English is the standard language of communication,i don't see how finnish can play a spoilsport..And if its a niche job,its even less difficult.

How come the finnish government is recruiting nurses from Phillipines and going through the pain of imparting a practical training in nursing while on the other hand ignoring the available talent....Needless to say they would be given language training as well....

[GIANNIS]

HI I'M GREEK AND I'M STYDING CHEMICAL ENGENEERING IN ATHENS. I'VE READ A LOT ABOUT THE WAY OF LIFE IN FINLAND AND I'D LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND WHEN I GET MY DIPLOMA. THE THING IS THAT I HAVE TO CHOOSE THE DIRECTION OF MY COURSES. I'D LIKE TO CHOOSE SOMETHING BETWEEN
A)FOOD AND BIOTECHNOLOGY
B)ORGANIC IDUSTRIES
AND C)MATERIAL SCIENCES
MY QUESTION IS WHAT SHOULD I CHOOSE TO HAVE MORE CHANCES TO FIND JOB IN FINLAND?
ANOTHER QUESTION WHAT IS THE AVERAGE RENT FOR APARTMENTS OF 45-60m2?

[alexsmith12]

Hello everyone! I am Alex Smith.. I am newbie here and hope to have a great time here.

Nice to meet you all.

Take care and God Bless!

[Pursuivant]

HI I'M GREEK AND I'M STYDING CHEMICAL ENGENEERING IN ATHENS. I'VE READ A LOT ABOUT THE WAY OF LIFE IN FINLAND AND I'D LIKE TO LIVE IN FINLAND ?

we asked the opinion of Chrysi Avi and they said then epitrepete

[whiethat1]

Hi

I thought this was a thread to introduce yourself to the community so I'm going to do just that.
My name is Pedro from Mexico (not sick people, this has been a really damaging gov. misinformation and exaggeration), Bs. Computer Sciences Engineering and have been accepted into Bayesian Statistics IMDP. in Helsinki university and I plan to arrive to Finland in late August and I can be of help to solve doubts about anything, my home country, Spanish, English, intermediate German, basic French and Japanese languages and well anything relating computers.

Best wishes to all.