What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Learn and discuss the Finnish language with Finn's and foreigners alike
Post Reply
weijie
Posts: 66
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:59 pm

What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by weijie » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:49 am

I mean Finnish dictionary with explanations in Finnish.



What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Sponsor:

Finland Forum Ad-O-Matic
 

Jukka Aho
Posts: 5237
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:46 am
Location: Espoo, Finland

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by Jukka Aho » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:05 am

weijie wrote:What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use? I mean Finnish dictionary with explanations in Finnish.
Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.
znark

weijie
Posts: 66
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:59 pm

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by weijie » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:05 pm

Jukka Aho wrote:
weijie wrote:What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use? I mean Finnish dictionary with explanations in Finnish.
Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.
Kiitos! Is there any vocabular building book you could recommend? I really need to increase my vocabular 'violently' in a short time, I do not have much time to sample lots of passages or books.

User avatar
onkko
Posts: 4826
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:24 am
Location: kemijärvi

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by onkko » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:40 pm

Caesare weold Graecum, ond Caelic Finnum

weijie
Posts: 66
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:59 pm

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by weijie » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:40 pm

onkko wrote:http://personal.inet.fi/koti/kullervo/Sanat_1_1000.htm 3000 most common words :)
Kiitos avusta!Could you please also tell me where I can find esimerkit to study the usage of words? :D

EP
Posts: 5737
Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2003 7:41 pm

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by EP » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:32 pm

The only native speakers (I know of) who use a dictionary are those who do more difficult (very difficult) crossword puzzles, and they usually have Nykysuomen sanakirja (<--- massive and expensive). And the words they need to look for are usually ones that are no longer in active use, like some very old ones relating to agriculture, hunting, and so on.

Rob A.
Posts: 3966
Joined: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:51 am

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by Rob A. » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:22 pm

weijie wrote:
onkko wrote:http://personal.inet.fi/koti/kullervo/Sanat_1_1000.htm 3000 most common words :)
Kiitos avusta!Could you please also tell me where I can find esimerkit to study the usage of words? :D
Gee... Online newspapers, maybe...???...

e.g. Helsingin Sanomat

These common words should appear there in abundance...:D

Rip
Posts: 5582
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:08 pm

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by Rip » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:43 pm

EP wrote:Nykysuomen sanakirja (<--- massive and expensive).
As I have one and don't need another one, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them in second-hand bookshops (or possible recycling centres) for rather low price. As said, not good for looking for words that were not in use in 1950's or earlier.

Bavarian
Posts: 751
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:42 pm
Location: New Yorker of Bavarian descent

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by Bavarian » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:58 am

onkko wrote:http://personal.inet.fi/koti/kullervo/Sanat_1_1000.htm 3000 most common words :)
I'm mildly curious as to how some words got to be considered separate words. Declined forms of nouns are apparently all thrown together, but declined forms of the pronouns (eg. mikä/mitä) are separate.

I also wonder how they separated out the noun voi from the past tense of voida. :)

j.petsku
Posts: 71
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:51 am

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by j.petsku » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:20 am

Jukka Aho wrote:Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.
Anyone have any theories on why this is the case? What about Finnish makes dictionaries unnecessary?

Jukka Aho
Posts: 5237
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:46 am
Location: Espoo, Finland

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by Jukka Aho » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:41 am

j.petsku wrote:
Jukka Aho wrote:Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.
Anyone have any theories on why this is the case? What about Finnish makes dictionaries unnecessary?
There’s little need to check for spelling as the writing system is rather consistent and sort-of-phonetic. There are also lots of indigenous words (as opposed to loan words) and descriptive compound words put together from basic bits and pieces whose meaning is quite obvious even if you hadn’t heard the word before. And there are only a few non-native speakers.

There is a special kind of monoligual FInnish dictionary which is somewhat commonly used: sivistyssanakirja.

Sivistyssanat are the fancy foreign (or “international”) words often thought to be used for showing off one’s level of “civilization” (sophistication, education, knowledge) – and some would also say pretentiousness, in certain contexts. They are often Finnishized to a degree in their spelling but their origin as foreign loans is still readily apparent: for example, they may be spelled with letters which are not commonly used in indigenous Finnish words. You could also argue not all of them can be thought of being “true” Finnish words at all – or only a sort of “quasi Finnish” (because of the Finnishized spelling) – for there’s might often be a more understandable Finnish equivalent for many of them you could use instead.

For example, if you’re using the word dialogi instead of vuoropuhelu or the word patrioottinen instead of isänmaallinen, you’re using sivistyssanas.

Here’s a free online sivistyssanakirja you can browse. But they’re also published in book form.

Writers might also turn to a synonyymisanakirja (see here as well) – a dictionary of words and their synonyms (and possibly antonyms, too); a thesaurus – for inspiration.
znark

User avatar
wunderbier
Posts: 39
Joined: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:06 pm

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by wunderbier » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:34 am

There's always this one: http://www.gummerus.fi/page.asp?sivuID= ... &recID=814 It's targeted towards language learners, but it might suit your needs.

User avatar
Pursuivant
Posts: 15089
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:51 am
Location: Bath & Wells

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by Pursuivant » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:56 pm

weijie wrote:I mean Finnish dictionary with explanations in Finnish.
You mean like an encyclopedia? Wikipedia has made them redundant, but you can see them in old peoples homes. My parents had one, was it now 10-12 volumes. Spent many days just reading it through as a kid. Theres Tietojätti - Gummeruksen suuri tietosanakirja A-Ö if your computer runs out.
"By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes."

AldenG
Posts: 3357
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:11 am

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?

Post by AldenG » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:58 pm

j.petsku wrote:
Jukka Aho wrote:Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.
Anyone have any theories on why this is the case? What about Finnish makes dictionaries unnecessary?
Sitkeys.
As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.


Post Reply