What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
I mean Finnish dictionary with explanations in Finnish.
Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.weijie wrote:What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use? I mean Finnish dictionary with explanations in Finnish.
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Kiitos! Is there any vocabular building book you could recommend? I really need to increase my vocabular 'violently' in a short time, I do not have much time to sample lots of passages or books.Jukka Aho wrote:Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.weijie wrote:What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use? I mean Finnish dictionary with explanations in Finnish.
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http://personal.inet.fi/koti/kullervo/Sanat_1_1000.htm 3000 most common words 

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Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
Kiitos avusta!Could you please also tell me where I can find esimerkit to study the usage of words?onkko wrote:http://personal.inet.fi/koti/kullervo/Sanat_1_1000.htm 3000 most common words

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
The only native speakers (I know of) who use a dictionary are those who do more difficult (very difficult) crossword puzzles, and they usually have Nykysuomen sanakirja (<--- massive and expensive). And the words they need to look for are usually ones that are no longer in active use, like some very old ones relating to agriculture, hunting, and so on.
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Gee... Online newspapers, maybe...???...weijie wrote:Kiitos avusta!Could you please also tell me where I can find esimerkit to study the usage of words?onkko wrote:http://personal.inet.fi/koti/kullervo/Sanat_1_1000.htm 3000 most common words
e.g. Helsingin Sanomat
These common words should appear there in abundance...

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
As I have one and don't need another one, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them in second-hand bookshops (or possible recycling centres) for rather low price. As said, not good for looking for words that were not in use in 1950's or earlier.EP wrote:Nykysuomen sanakirja (<--- massive and expensive).
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I'm mildly curious as to how some words got to be considered separate words. Declined forms of nouns are apparently all thrown together, but declined forms of the pronouns (eg. mikä/mitä) are separate.onkko wrote:http://personal.inet.fi/koti/kullervo/Sanat_1_1000.htm 3000 most common words
I also wonder how they separated out the noun voi from the past tense of voida.

Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
Anyone have any theories on why this is the case? What about Finnish makes dictionaries unnecessary?Jukka Aho wrote:Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.
Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
There’s little need to check for spelling as the writing system is rather consistent and sort-of-phonetic. There are also lots of indigenous words (as opposed to loan words) and descriptive compound words put together from basic bits and pieces whose meaning is quite obvious even if you hadn’t heard the word before. And there are only a few non-native speakers.j.petsku wrote:Anyone have any theories on why this is the case? What about Finnish makes dictionaries unnecessary?Jukka Aho wrote:Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.
There is a special kind of monoligual FInnish dictionary which is somewhat commonly used: sivistyssanakirja.
Sivistyssanat are the fancy foreign (or “international”) words often thought to be used for showing off one’s level of “civilization” (sophistication, education, knowledge) – and some would also say pretentiousness, in certain contexts. They are often Finnishized to a degree in their spelling but their origin as foreign loans is still readily apparent: for example, they may be spelled with letters which are not commonly used in indigenous Finnish words. You could also argue not all of them can be thought of being “true” Finnish words at all – or only a sort of “quasi Finnish” (because of the Finnishized spelling) – for there’s might often be a more understandable Finnish equivalent for many of them you could use instead.
For example, if you’re using the word dialogi instead of vuoropuhelu or the word patrioottinen instead of isänmaallinen, you’re using sivistyssanas.
Here’s a free online sivistyssanakirja you can browse. But they’re also published in book form.
Writers might also turn to a synonyymisanakirja (see here as well) – a dictionary of words and their synonyms (and possibly antonyms, too); a thesaurus – for inspiration.
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Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
There's always this one: http://www.gummerus.fi/page.asp?sivuID= ... &recID=814 It's targeted towards language learners, but it might suit your needs.
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Re: What kind of sanakirja do Finnish native use?
You mean like an encyclopedia? Wikipedia has made them redundant, but you can see them in old peoples homes. My parents had one, was it now 10-12 volumes. Spent many days just reading it through as a kid. Theres Tietojätti - Gummeruksen suuri tietosanakirja A-Ö if your computer runs out.weijie wrote:I mean Finnish dictionary with explanations in Finnish.
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Sitkeys.j.petsku wrote:Anyone have any theories on why this is the case? What about Finnish makes dictionaries unnecessary?Jukka Aho wrote:Native speakers rarely feel the need for using a monolingual Finnish dictionary – or are even aware that such things exist. But the thing you’re looking for is Kielitoimiston sanakirja. See this search for previous discussion on the topic.
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