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Election Result and PerusS

Post by ordinary_life » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:03 pm

I wonder why there is nobody mentioned the impact of new election result for immigrants in Finland. Persu has got significant amount of seats in parlianment. Does it mean there will be less opportunity for immigrants to find job? less international students will get admit to universities? much more trouble to come to Finland and establish life here? More worse, it is about the general attitutes for immigrants who are currently living in Finland will get negative. People start to be more racist and rude because they feel they are doing right thing.

While I was talking about my worries with friends, some of them told me that: it is nothing about immigrants who are now in Finland. It is rather to against new refugees from north Africa, who are now grouping in Italy and eager to flee from there to all other European countries. Myself quite doubt about it. :?

There has been some discussions bout Persu a while ago. But after election, all seems disappeared. People start to accept the result ...



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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by Rip » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:08 pm

ordinary_life wrote:I wonder why there is nobody mentioned the impact of new election result for immigrants in Finland. Persu has got significant amount of seats in parlianment.
There is currently 80 posts in "pub" area on a thread about the topic
Does it mean there will be less opportunity for immigrants to find job?
For the most part at least, they are more worried about the immigrant's that don't have, and are unlikely to ever have jobs (and then those hired in ways violating established minimum standards).
less international students will get admit to universities?


We don't even have new government yet, but it might. There is another thread in "studying in Finland" with more about that topic...
much more trouble to come to Finland and establish life here?
If we are talking about paperless so called refugees, I personally certainly hope so.
More worse, it is about the general attitutes for immigrants who are currently living in Finland will get negative.
I don't think so. Pretending that problems do not exist, will not in long term lead to good result either.
People start to be more racist and rude because they feel they are doing right thing.
I have seen no evidence of that.
While I was talking about my worries with friends, some of them told me that: it is nothing about immigrants who are now in Finland. It is rather to against new refugees from north Africa, who are now grouping in Italy and eager to flee from there to all other European countries. Myself quite doubt about it.
First of all, despite the fact for some of the PerusS candidates immigration has been the top theme, overall the victory was more about other issues, particularly about screwed up state of EU and Euro (Both something that PerusS and Mr. Soini have opposed since beginning) and scandals related to election financing. The outgoing prime minsters advocated several policies against wishes of their traditional base, while (apart from small up tick at the end of the campaign) the main opposition party, social democrats where totally unable to transform the discontent against the old government to their support, and so lost an election which based on history one would have expected them to win by landslide.

As for the immigration itself, most of it has been about "humanitarian immigration" where most of the people coming here don't actually qualify with refugees and show poor integration after even longer time. I mentioned earlier already some issues related to the other immigrants and I recall having seen at least some PerusS candidate also commenting that a large Russian minority (especially with one with double citizenship) maybe a long term security risk.
People start to accept the result ...
At least I'm happy that is no Burma or Sweden, so when a new party wins an election, the automatic answer from established leaders is not "People made a wrong choice, we must do something to correct THEM".
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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by onkko » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:12 pm

Im already getting my pitchfork and torch ready, too bad that i cant chase foreigners away yet since i have dentist appointment. Maybe after i get my teeths fixed 8)
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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by ordinary_life » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:52 pm

Rip wrote: There is currently 80 posts in "pub" area on a thread about the topic
OK, Just read it. Did not notice there is such a visual pub in this BBS.

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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by Planky » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:47 am

I have already read it. But I also couldn't find a visual pub in this BBC.

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Post by sinikettu » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:11 am

Interesting article in Int Hesa yesterday,,
True Finn ((PersusS) change their name..sure to lead to confusion

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/True+F ... 5268720226
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Post by odon » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:14 am

onkko wrote:Im already getting my pitchfork and torch ready, too bad that i cant chase foreigners away yet since i have dentist appointment. Maybe after i get my teeths fixed 8)

What if your dentist is of foreign orgin!! :P :P :roll: :roll:

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Post by onkko » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:39 am

odon wrote:
onkko wrote:Im already getting my pitchfork and torch ready, too bad that i cant chase foreigners away yet since i have dentist appointment. Maybe after i get my teeths fixed 8)

What if your dentist is of foreign orgin!! :P :P :roll: :roll:
She is.
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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by Rip » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:59 pm

sinikettu wrote: True Finn ((PersusS) change their name..sure to lead to confusion
Why confusion? It is just the name tag that they switch in the international news when there is the next elections (or the government collapses). The (hard to translate accurately) Finnish name is not going to be changed.

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Post by sinikettu » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:04 pm

Rip wrote:
sinikettu wrote: True Finn ((PersusS) change their name..sure to lead to confusion
Why confusion? It is just the name tag that they switch in the international news when there is the next elections (or the government collapses). The (hard to translate accurately) Finnish name is not going to be changed.
I was only restating what the Hesa said...The last sentence in this section.

"One of the commentators asked how the English-language press (which presumably includes this online paper) will be able to report on this particular party or on the country itself without a degree of confusion arising.
It remains to be seen what kinds of syntactic and even typographic acrobatics (quotation marks, italics, etc.) will be employed by news writers who may have to differentiate between the entire Finnish nation and one of its political groupings."
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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by CH » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:47 pm

Rip wrote:
sinikettu wrote: True Finn ((PersusS) change their name..sure to lead to confusion
Why confusion? It is just the name tag that they switch in the international news when there is the next elections (or the government collapses). The (hard to translate accurately) Finnish name is not going to be changed.
You seriously mean to say that "The Finns" doesn't cause confusion? So, if it says "The Finns voted for..."... was it the party or the Finnish people?

Even if the papers go for something more um... readable, like "The Finns" party, it just looks stupid. But most of all, I think it stinks of serious arrogance to go for a name that most people would think meant all of us Finnish people. I don't know if I should assume they are megalomaniac (they think actually speak for all of us) or just majorly stupid (they didn't know what the name they chose actually means). I do hope they have at least some sense of decency, and change the name.

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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by interleukin » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:52 pm

So, if it says "The Finns voted for..."... was it the party or the Finnish people?
We since the PeruS are the biggest party at the moment, it´s pretty much the same thing these days...
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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by Rip » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:09 pm

I am sure there is plenty of options, such as use the quotes or just PS in the body of the text if you want to save space, if one really thinks there might be confusion.

In USA there is only one party supporting democracy (presumably constitutional monarchy?) and one for (undemocratic) republic?

This is the first time I remember anybody complaining about a name of a party, and in my youth there was even party called "Democratic alternative" for people who had all their lives worked for political system where people asking for democratic alternative would be thrown in to a jail....

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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by CH » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:54 am

interleukin wrote:
So, if it says "The Finns voted for..."... was it the party or the Finnish people?
We since the PeruS are the biggest party at the moment, it´s pretty much the same thing these days...
Well, first of all I don't sign my name under a party opinion just because it would be the biggest. And as far as I know, Persut aren't even the biggest party.

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Re: Election Result and PerusS

Post by interleukin » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:03 am

Well, first of all I don't sign my name under a party opinion just because it would be the biggest. And as far as I know, Persut aren't even the biggest party.
I don´t sign my name there either, but my point is that the majority of Finns don´t care what you sign. I couldn´t find an English-language reference to my claim that they are the largest party, but here is a link to Vasabladet, citing YLE.

http://www.vasabladet.fi/Story/?linkID=167086
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