Can I go to Estonia without my residence permit

Matjan · Post by **Matjan** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:59 pm

Hi all!
So I'm a student in Helsinki and currently I don't have my residence permit because it is being processed. My old residence permit already expired and I won't get my new one for another 3 months. In the "todistus hakemuksen jättämisestä" (the only paper the police gave me when i applied for residence permit), there is no information about anything at all except for my name, passport number, birth date and application date plus estimated processing time (which is 5 months

). I'm wondering if I'm actually able to go to Estonia during the Christmas holiday. Thanks before

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cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:32 am

look in the links,
http://www.tallinksilja.com/en/mainMenu ... formation/

Matjan · Post by **Matjan** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:05 am

I still can't find the answer I'm looking for. I know that I need my schengen residence permit to go to Estonia. But is it ok to go there if my residence permit is in process? Right now I don't hold a residence permit, only a document that prove that my residence permit is in process from the police.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:31 pm

1.

I know that I need my schengen residence permit to go to Estonia.

2.

Right now I don't hold a residence permit

Exactly.

Oombongo · Post by **Oombongo** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:47 pm

you can, nothing is stopping you
...............but if your horoscope is not in your favor, and if you're inspected then in worst of the worst case scenario you might get a free ticket to your home country with not-so-nice stamp on your passport.

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:27 pm

http://www.migri.fi/services/faq/residence_permits
Question 15 leads to this
http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/ ... endocument

The foreign national will be legally resident in the country while the application is being processed until a legally valid decision has been made in the matter, or an enforceable decision to remove the foreign national from the country has been made.

you just need to abide by the travel document system in the EU.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:29 pm

Also, Estonian jails lack the luxus-luxus Nordic acommodation standards.

Matjan · Post by **Matjan** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:03 pm

To be honest I never get inspected everytime I go to Estonia. But I guess it's not worth to risk it :\ Guess I'll be forever alone in Helsinki this christmas vacation

Thanks a lot all

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:45 pm

Do you go to estonia because things like shops/etc remain open on Christmas day?

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:49 pm

Matjan wrote:To be honest I never get inspected everytime I go to Estonia. But I guess it's not worth to risk it :\ Guess I'll be forever alone in Helsinki this christmas vacation Thanks a lot all

ive got a feeling that estoni officials would send you back to finland, so i dont see why not go, after all if you can prove who you are and you can prove your residence renewal is ongoing.

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:59 pm

Much of what used to be done by eyeballing the stream of disembarking passengers is now done by computer before you arrive. So people not getting pulled out (randomly or otherwise) doesn't say much one way or the other about your personal chances.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:37 am

Its a chance you take. The ship company might not let you on board for one. Then the border guards hit you with a fine for illegal entry. Estonians can well not understand a Finnish letter if they feel like it.

Matjan · Post by **Matjan** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:24 pm

Is there actually a border guard in harbour? I've only seen once but it was in Stockholm, not in Helsinki or Tallinn. Anyway even though I have proof that my residence permit renewal is ongoing, on the police website it says that this document only valid in Finland (more or less as I understand it). And I was thinking of going to Estonia cause I have close friends there

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