Finnish Citizenship, Help Required

[cors187]

Maybe i need to add more detail so you understand where i am coming from.
My cousins and I from the cities played and could talk together because we lived closer together, we became more naturally acceptable to each other both using the big city language.
We both had some distant cousins(by marriage/shot gun wedding/whatever) who lived far enough away that the swamp they lived in created a different language.
They did however still speak the big city language, they could understand us but we couldn't understand the local language.

They gave us access to the key and said , "Call before you come".
They were the cousins you didn't really like as much as your other cousins!

Note , i could have changed the word "like" for the word "know" ,but i didnt!

You guys can change it because i know you think you know everything about your cousins.

[cors187]

A lot of off topic trolls.

So is 4 years with language test enough.

Can some one explain what does close ties to finland means.

Trolls? , you expect to get your simple answer which was simple to find without Forum banter

[Adrian42]

The nordics tend to have a mother tongue that is closely related to Swedish, so they get by on that. It would be pretty pointless to force eg. a Norwegian to do a language test to prove Swedish skills.

The Icelandic and Swedish languages are not that near to each other (the Icelandic language is more like what people in Norway spoke 1000 years ago).

This is not about the language: The whole "Nordic Citizens" part dates back to the Nordic Passport Union that was established in the 1950s, and that gives citizens of the 5 participating countries rights to live and work in any of these countries, similar to what a EU citizenship does today in the whole EU.

Different from the Nordic Passport Union, in the EU citizenship was excluded from what is covered by EU legislation. But in practice, the right of permanent residence an EU citizen has after 5 years of living in another EU country is already quite similar to the rights of citizens.

[Rip]

Estonian and Finnish are closer, correct?

No, incorrect. Finnish is my native language, but I could struggle better through Norwegian or Danish text (based on my limited Swedish skills) than Estonian.

[onkko]

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The nordics tend to have a mother tongue that is closely related to Swedish, so they get by on that. It would be pretty pointless to force eg. a Norwegian to do a language test to prove Swedish skills.

Estonian and Finnish are closer, correct?

Not correct.
I am native finn and estonian sounds to me "they are talking almost finnish but i dont understand" while (according to my swe relatives and others who worked in nordic countries) swe/de/no is "they are talking x with odd dialect and few odd words"

[onkko]

I dare anyone who dont speak estonian and only finnish to decipher this song. Flow is finnish and some words are finnish but total is something you dont understand. You do understand some parts but there it is.

[cors187]

I get you points , but if you didnt speak or learn swedish you would be in the same boat as estonian , except with estonian you would be predicting words and cases based on finnish knowledge.With swedish your just going off the general partial word traits that follow english.

[Jukka Aho]

I get you points , but if you didnt speak or learn swedish you would be in the same boat as estonian , except with estonian you would be predicting words and cases based on finnish knowledge.With swedish your just going off the general partial word traits that follow english.

I guess the relationship between Finnish and Estonian is much like the relationship between English and Frisian/Dutch — maybe a little bit closer, but not much — whereas the mutual intelligibility between the Scandinavian languages is pretty much the same as it is among the speakers of various national dialects of English, and maybe Scots at the extreme end.

Or lets say the easiest Estonian sentences are to a Finn like Scots is to an Englishman, whereas the bulk of the text/speech remains eerily familiar but mostly impenetrable (like Frisian/Dutch is to an Englishman without actually having studied the language.)

[Upphew]

Side note: Nordics & former Finnish residents can get citizenship without language requirements.

Im guessing nordics is like giving your cousins who dont like you and dont speak your language a spare key to the front door.

But Swedes do. Swedish is the only language that is official everywhere in Finland. And Norwegians, Danes and Icelanders are smart enough to get the Swedish skills to decent level. Or smart enough not to move here