working while waiting for residence permit

[Deni85]

Where did he say he has a girl waiting in Finland??? he said he is going to marry in Finland, the girl could be with him.

And who says he is "he"? it can be a girl.

I am not going be here making silly assumptions about his/her life.

You either have a bad memory or you are a bad liar (or both)...

Let me remind you that you already did exactly the thing you claim you weren't doing in this thread:

What I meant was that he would apply for a work permit from his country then later after he gets married he applies for a permit based on family ties.

Are you a 6 years old child or have mental disabilities? Seriously... I was just participating in your childish game of assumptions. But now the OP came and ruined everything!

[cors187]

Its because there is no where to record you as a specialist.A person, any foreigner comes into Finland can apply for a tax at source card.
If they get it then they start working.

Why sure. The employer will just get a nice fine if they go hiring a non-eu foreigner without a valid residence permit if the said foreigner requires one. There are the cases when you do not require one, and in the case of "specialists" which is the only case when a residence-permit-requiring foreigner can start to work while the permit is processed.

This the point i am making , a valid binding contract between 2 parties is made.The first party is a Finnish employer, the second party is a random foreigner with skills to complete the contract.
The random foreigner applies for a tax at source card.
Vero holds the judgement.
You dont need a residence permit if your not staying in the country for less than 6 months.

So really Vero has some room to adapt to what they consider is a necessary contract.

[Upphew]

This the point i am making , a valid binding contract between 2 parties is made.The first party is a Finnish employer, the second party is a random foreigner with skills to complete the contract.
The random foreigner applies for a tax at source card.
Vero holds the judgement.
You dont need a residence permit if your not staying in the country for less than 6 months.

So really Vero has some room to adapt to what they consider is a necessary contract.

And when Finnish employer employs foreigner that doesn't hold RP, they commit a crime.
"Oikeus tehdä ansiotyötä Suomessa määräytyy kansalaisuuden mukaan:
Euroopan talousalueen (ETA) kansalaiset saavat työskennellä Suomessa ilman erityistä työlupaa. ETA-maihin kuuluvat EU-maiden lisäksi Islanti, Liechtenstein, Norja ja Sveitsi.
Muiden maiden eli ETA-alueen ulkopuolisten maiden kansalaisilta vaaditaan työntekijän oleskelulupa. Lisää tietoa oleskeluluvan hakemisesta työ- ja elinkeinotoimiston verkkopalvelussa."
"Työnantajan työpaikalla säilytettävistä tiedoista tulee käydä ilmi ulkomaalaisen työntekijän henkilötiedot sekä se, perustuuko työntekijän työnteko-oikeus EU - tai ETA-maan kansalaisuuteen, voimassaolevaan työntekijän oleskelulupaan vai muuhun ulkomaalaislaissa säädettyyn työnteko-oikeuden perustavaan seikkaan."
http://www.tyosuojelu.fi/fi/ulkomaalaiset

[cors187]

I do match with one the obligations (a person posted working without a residence permit) So, I am eligible to work. Yet, I am not a specialist. you do not need to be specialist to work without a residence permit. I was wondering if I could get tax and id number (yes you are right, not kela number, there are many cards/numbers, sometimes it is confusing). and I would like to go on working as I wait for the residence permit. If that is possible.


Also, i have never worked for a Finnish company,

Your only eligible to work if you receive a Tax at source card, and because your a random 90 day visitor , then the max work is 90days.

Heres a hint , why would Vero give you a tax at source card for a 6 month contract when you can only work for 90 days, they wont.
Specialist has nothing to do with specialist resident permits, they are different.
A tax at source specialist can be a host of things, look at the tax at source card application , it has a section for students.

[cors187]

This the point i am making , a valid binding contract between 2 parties is made.The first party is a Finnish employer, the second party is a random foreigner with skills to complete the contract.
The random foreigner applies for a tax at source card.
Vero holds the judgement.
You dont need a residence permit if your not staying in the country for less than 6 months.

So really Vero has some room to adapt to what they consider is a necessary contract.

And when Finnish employer employs foreigner that doesn't hold RP, they commit a crime.
"Oikeus tehdä ansiotyötä Suomessa määräytyy kansalaisuuden mukaan:
Euroopan talousalueen (ETA) kansalaiset saavat työskennellä Suomessa ilman erityistä työlupaa. ETA-maihin kuuluvat EU-maiden lisäksi Islanti, Liechtenstein, Norja ja Sveitsi.
Muiden maiden eli ETA-alueen ulkopuolisten maiden kansalaisilta vaaditaan työntekijän oleskelulupa. Lisää tietoa oleskeluluvan hakemisesta työ- ja elinkeinotoimiston verkkopalvelussa."
"Työnantajan työpaikalla säilytettävistä tiedoista tulee käydä ilmi ulkomaalaisen työntekijän henkilötiedot sekä se, perustuuko työntekijän työnteko-oikeus EU - tai ETA-maan kansalaisuuteen, voimassaolevaan työntekijän oleskelulupaan vai muuhun ulkomaalaislaissa säädettyyn työnteko-oikeuden perustavaan seikkaan."
http://www.tyosuojelu.fi/fi/ulkomaalaiset

You dont need a res-permit if your not staying for more than 6 months?
Why dont you translate it into english , you think i want to waste 3 seconds of my time doing it?

[Pursuivant]

You dont need a residence permit if your not staying in the country for less than 6 months.

Are you stupid or something?

[Upphew]

You dont need a res-permit if your not staying for more than 6 months?
Why dont you translate it into english , you think i want to waste 3 seconds of my time doing it?

You need to be ETA citizen or you need a permit. If you hire a person without permit you shall be punished.

[Adrian42]

This the point i am making , a valid binding contract between 2 parties is made.The first party is a Finnish employer, the second party is a random foreigner with skills to complete the contract.
The random foreigner applies for a tax at source card.
Vero holds the judgement.
You dont need a residence permit if your not staying in the country for less than 6 months.

So really Vero has some room to adapt to what they consider is a necessary contract.

And when Finnish employer employs foreigner that doesn't hold RP, they commit a crime.
"Oikeus tehdä ansiotyötä Suomessa määräytyy kansalaisuuden mukaan:
Euroopan talousalueen (ETA) kansalaiset saavat työskennellä Suomessa ilman erityistä työlupaa. ETA-maihin kuuluvat EU-maiden lisäksi Islanti, Liechtenstein, Norja ja Sveitsi.
Muiden maiden eli ETA-alueen ulkopuolisten maiden kansalaisilta vaaditaan työntekijän oleskelulupa. Lisää tietoa oleskeluluvan hakemisesta työ- ja elinkeinotoimiston verkkopalvelussa."
"Työnantajan työpaikalla säilytettävistä tiedoista tulee käydä ilmi ulkomaalaisen työntekijän henkilötiedot sekä se, perustuuko työntekijän työnteko-oikeus EU - tai ETA-maan kansalaisuuteen, voimassaolevaan työntekijän oleskelulupaan vai muuhun ulkomaalaislaissa säädettyyn työnteko-oikeuden perustavaan seikkaan."
http://www.tyosuojelu.fi/fi/ulkomaalaiset

Note that this text contains a slight mistake:

It is correct that Swiss citizens do not need a residence permit in Finland, but Switzerland is not a member of the ETA (English: EEA).

[007]

You dont need a res-permit if your not staying for more than 6 months?
Why dont you translate it into english , you think i want to waste 3 seconds of my time doing it?

You need to be ETA citizen or you need a permit. If you hire a person without permit you shall be punished.

http://www.migri.fi/working_in_finland/ ... nce_permit

so, I assume there's a "job" that can be done without a need for residence permit albeit for less than 3 months provided that the person holds a valid visa or from a visa free country. And of course, Europeans need residence permit (or some kinda of registeration) if the duration of stay is beyond 3 months.

[Rip]

Are you saying that viisumi passport stickers are not acceptable when applying for tax at source cards?

Who cares? The tax office is only an authority when it comes to tax issues. They have no authority what so ever to decide immigration issues (including right to work by non-citizens) .

[cors187]

You dont need a residence permit if your not staying in the country for less than 6 months.

Are you stupid or something?

If its a typo, then maybe.

[Adrian42]

You dont need a res-permit if your not staying for more than 6 months?
Why dont you translate it into english , you think i want to waste 3 seconds of my time doing it?

You need to be ETA citizen or you need a permit. If you hire a person without permit you shall be punished.

http://www.migri.fi/working_in_finland/ ... nce_permit

so, I assume there's a "job" that can be done without a need for residence permit albeit for less than 3 months provided that the person holds a valid visa or from a visa free country.

Yes, that there are some special jobs (e.g. fruit picking) one can do without a residence permit is not disputed.

And of course, Europeans need residence permit (or some kinda of registeration) if the duration of stay is beyond 3 months.

Citizens of an EEA country or Switzerland don't need a Residence Permit, they have to register their Right of Residence when staying over 3 months. In the normal case (you have a job in Finland) that is just one visit to the police and it is done.

[cors187]

Are you saying that viisumi passport stickers are not acceptable when applying for tax at source cards?

Who cares? The tax office is only an authority when it comes to tax issues. They have no authority what so ever to decide immigration issues (including right to work by non-citizens) .

Well i dont know if its the best system to hand out tax cards to any and all randoms, so there must be a reason why someone can get a tax at source card and someone else cannot.Isnt the application process the start of this evaluation.

[Pursuivant]

Yes, that there are some special jobs (e.g. fruit picking) one can do without a residence permit is not disputed.

Actually, for fruit-picking you do need a residence permit, as well as a tax card. However, berry-picking is free from regulation, as well as tax. Difference is if someone planted the bush or if it grows wild.

[Adrian42]

Yes, that there are some special jobs (e.g. fruit picking) one can do without a residence permit is not disputed.

Actually, for fruit-picking you do need a residence permit, as well as a tax card. However, berry-picking is free from regulation, as well as tax. Difference is if someone planted the bush or if it grows wild.

You do not need a residence permit for an employed person or any other residence permit in the following cases:
- if your job is to pick berries or fruits or to gather special plants or vegetables or fur farmig, and the duration of the job is no longer than three months
http://www.migri.fi/working_in_finland/ ... nce_permit