Finnish Companies List

[AsaSmith]

Yes I understood from this:

Sami-Is-Boss wrote:Companies don't exhibit at trade fairs to find staff. You'll be able to do some 'networking' (God I hate that word) at them, but the focus of the exhibiting companies will be elsewhere...



You completely miss my point.

My point was about finding Finnish companies that are selling internationally in some specific area.

That you didn't mean networking. Its an interesting idea and one I wouldn't have thought about myself. I'll have a look into it and see if I can borrow an Finnish friend for an evening to scout out some events and venues, pretty good idea Adrian. Dont suppose you have any information on events in and around Helsinki/Vantaa /Espoo? No bother if you don't just wondered on the off chance.

There might be ways, albeit not easy ones, for you to break into the Finnish job market, but your apparent absolute insistence on having everything on your own severely misguided terms (even assistance) is a kind of deafness and blindness that makes it clear you're not going to find those ways

After re reading your comment Alden I was wondering if you could shed some light on the other ways of entering the job market?

[Adrian42]

Yes I understood from this:

Sami-Is-Boss wrote:Companies don't exhibit at trade fairs to find staff. You'll be able to do some 'networking' (God I hate that word) at them, but the focus of the exhibiting companies will be elsewhere...



You completely miss my point.

My point was about finding Finnish companies that are selling internationally in some specific area.

That you didn't mean networking. Its an interesting idea and one I wouldn't have thought about myself. I'll have a look into it and see if I can borrow an Finnish friend for an evening to scout out some events and venues, pretty good idea Adrian. Dont suppose you have any information on events in and around Helsinki/Vantaa /Espoo?

I have a pretty good overview of events happening in Finland, Europe and the rest of the world that are relevant to my specific area of expertise in IT.

I have no idea what your specific area of expertise is, and even if I would I wouldn't know likely know nothing about that area.

[AsaSmith]

Ok no worries, Ill get on the case with my Finnish friend as I presume the majority of the text is written in Finnish. Thanks for your idea again Adrian

[rinso]

I presume the majority of the text is written in Finnish

Weren't you looking for international operating companies?
A Finnish website often means only local interest.

[David Junior]

Adrian, sod it, ill bite. I've read some of your other comments on the forum and in all honesty there mightily unhelpful and generally, a rather self indulgent stab at someone on the thread.

I must agree with AsaSmith, I didn't say anything before but to be fair Adrian's comments on the forum tend to be mostly negative, not to say "destructive".... and he is not the only one.

It seems to me there are a couple of "regulars" roaming on the board apparently just for the sake of creating an unpleasant, unhelpful and uncomfortable atmosphere for anyone else looking for piece of advice, suggestion or just to exchange ideas.

There are many off-putting and sometimes derogatory comments especially in the job section. Ideas are often labeled as "stupid" .. and there is this endless mantra about "washing toilets" and "flipping burgers" directed against people who are looking for jobs in earnest as if that is the only possible option. Anyone is assumed to be "illiterate" for some reason, being them Ph.D. , M.Sc or MBA holder... I don't really understand the reason of that attitude. Maybe it is some sort of self-gratifying game, as you said, just to hit on other people.

[Upphew]

There are many off-putting and sometimes derogatory comments especially in the job section. Ideas are often labeled as "stupid" .. and there is this endless mantra about "washing toilets" and "flipping burgers" directed against people who are looking for jobs in earnest as if that is the only possible option. Anyone is assumed to be "illiterate" for some reason, being them Ph.D. , M.Sc or MBA holder... I don't really understand the reason of that attitude. Maybe it is some sort of self-gratifying game, as you said, just to hit on other people.

Kyllä se suomalaisella työpaikalla melkoinen puute kielitaidossa on, jossei puhu suomea. Eli silloin täytyy olla niin hyvä jossain, että tuo puute on pienempi kuin tarve johonkin erityistaitoon. Mitä hyötyä on tutkinnosta, jos ei kykene ymmärtämään ohjeita tai pukkaamaan ulos tekstiä ja puhetta, jota muut ymmärtävät?

[Adrian42]

I must agree with AsaSmith, I didn't say anything before but to be fair Adrian's comments on the forum tend to be mostly negative, not to say "destructive".... and he is not the only one.

Negative yes, since people who want to come to Finland tend to have some misconceptions and are far too optimistic - and it is better when they are aware of their misconceptions instead of learning it the hard way.

Destructive? No. The average foreigner who does not speak Finnish has only a very small chance of finding any job in Finland. That is not destructive, that is realistic. It is very constructive to make him aware of that fact before he comes to Finland so that he has no wrong expectations. And when he's already in Finland, often the only constructive suggestion is "learn Finnish".

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That's a random example where I managed to make a person realize that her chances at the Finnish job market will be small before she gave up her job and life and visa in Australia. I also wrote in that thread

Don't get me wrong: I am optimistic that if you are determined to move to Finland and spend the rest of your life here, that will work for you in the long run.

But be prepared that it might in many respects be pretty hard for you during the first 1-2 years to get adapted and settled here.

That is a realistic assessment of the price she'd have to pay when moving to Finland. Whether that's worth it is her decision - but she should be aware of it before making the decision whether to give up her current life.

Examples of common misconceptions:

Everyone speaks English, so speaking English is enough for finding a job.
That's true for a minority of IT jobs, but nowhere else.

I am a native English speaker, and that's enough for making a living teaching English.
Works in many parts of the world, but absolutely not in Finland.

I've always dreamed of moving to Finland. / I was in Finland last summer, and it was so beautiful.
Winters are dark, cold and long. If you like that it's fine, but it's a bit different from the Finnish summer.
And people in Finland are very different from people in your home country.

Finland is not bankrupt, so there have to be many jobs available.
Strange times where a country not being bankrupt makes people think that money grows on trees there and only waits for you to take it...
In reality, the Finnish job market (including the IT job market!) does not look good at the moment.

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If you compare my mostly negative, not to say "destructive" posts to him 4 months ago with how he described his situation yesterday, you will notice that what I wrote was not destructive but matches the reality he faces in Finland now.

And if you don't believe my description of the dire situation of the Finnish IT job market, feel free to spend one year on learning some IT technologies (as you were already contemplating) and then tell us in a year whether I was right or wrong.

[onkko]

Anyone is assumed to be "illiterate" for some reason, being them Ph.D. , M.Sc or MBA holder...

If You cant speak with my granma you are illiterate. Being fluent in english doesnt help you.

[geek5354]

Not exactly designed for your purpose but since you're willing to pay, here is an online service for credit risk reports of companies in Finland with search criteria plus more:

https://www.asiakastieto.fi/en/avoimet/ ... tteri.html

The more you pay, the more complete the list is. Think of it as an investment to the Finnish economy.

Jesus thats not going to be a cheap list looking at the prices on the link you posted! Mighty kind of you to share it with me though, ill have a look and probably save it for future reference in case I need extra details on a specific company. Might look good in an interview if I managed to get one! Thanks again

Aw, shucks, you didn't have to call me Jesus for sharing the link but I'm flattered. Now, Jesus would also like to suggest you to post your question on companies list to Quora or other (paid) crowd-sourcing Q&A sites.

[mmkhi]

Hi Asa, I am surprised by the tone of the feedback you have received up to now, just ignore them.
Your idea is good - it is what is called "active search for job".

Two links you have posted are more used as "security check" in Finland, so company who is going to work with another company can check if the potential partner actually is a real company registered etc.

To answer you question where to find a list - I think you will have to build one yourself searching the net, takes time and effort but I guess you are motivated. There are different methods how to do it, you find your own.

Couple of sidenotes:
- target a specific person when you write them (hr person probably, depending on size of the company)
- you can try to find people through linkedin, get their name and then get their e-mail most of the time by sukunimi.etunimi@companny.fi or similar (you get the pattern at the contact section of the company site)
- if you are in some specific field you can look for some umbrella organisation of this field and then get the list of member companies
- same for exhibition or conference (list of exhibitors, speakers...)
- don't forget the NGO and public sector, one way to get the contacts is to check who received funding from government (or EU) from some ministry site (or EU related projects like interreg etc)
- bookmark especially "rekry" or similar part of the websites into folder "to check every 2 weeks"
- make a list where you put all email addresses that you have already used so you don't send them mail twice in short time (will be annoying)
- send your e-mails tuesday-thursday in the morning
...
- make sure you are ready for the fact that you will receive 1 answer to maybe 100 emails
- if you can, try to get a phone number that is not pre-paid (you will need a Finnish friend for that)
- get a library card a go to relax there
- join some sports club to enjoy your life (you will get contacts there as well)
- subscribe to finnish+swedish course at "tyovaenopisto"
...

good luck!
ps: oh and I forgot the wonderful finnish nature