My bf was just saying we should've signed up for classes before I left. But I thought I will be busy with the full time Finnish class. Kicking myself right now!Adrian42 wrote:Usually the easiest Residence Permit is the one for university studies.
The requirements for a one year Residence Permit for university studies are that you got accepted at a Finnish university, and that you have at least € 6720 in your own bank account.
The problem here is the timing:
Application for university is at the beginning of the year and studies start in September, so it would take one year until you would have that Residence Permit (assuming you got accepted to a Finnish university).
No doubt the church of Finland has made many compromises. Big organisations often have to. Divorces cannot be avoided - sometimes relationships just can't work out and it takes 2 hands to clap... I do not expect them to present me a residence permit just because I said someone is my bf/gf, though to be honest, there are many people who are not bf/gf and they were able to get residency by signing the papers with someone else who cares as little about "marriage", just for the residency. Do you not find it ironic that the strict laws have, in the end, made it easy for the real fake relationship, and difficult for the real ones? Well, except for having a child together with/without being married. The first of which will cause much distress to my family, the latter will come after marriage, which does not seem possible at the moment.Adrian42 wrote:What's ironic about that?
"No sex before marriage" is completely uncommon in Finland and nothing the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland demands.
Divorces are also pretty common in Finland and not a problem at all for the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland - I even know a female Finnish priest who is herself divorced.
Finland cannot blindly hand out Residence Permit to anyone when someone suddenly says some other person is his/her bf/gf (no matter the gender - homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are treated equally, and gay marriage is also treated equally to traditional marriage when applying for a Residence Permit).
You have to be able to prove some relationship, and having a child together or marriage or 2 years of living in the same apartment is a reasonable rule.
Very valid points, thanks for analysing them so clearly! You're right, one of the biggest barriers to intergration is the language. I've been taking lessons at the kansalaisopisto (ok, I can't even be sure I spelt that correctly) but I noticed that the students seem to be able to learn Finnish more easily because they get to practice with their Finnish contacts. As I have missed this round of university applications, I do not think this is possible at the moment. As for work or family... Most work seem to require knowledge of Finnish language (which is why I made it one of my priorities to learn Finnish while I was in Finland, albeit not very successfully as you can probably tell by now), especially since my current degree is not specialised like engineering, etc. After a long discussion, the bf and I have decided perhaps the best solution is to sign the papers. Though that is not set in stone as we still have to get my parents' approval (I'm way pass the legal age. Its cultural formalities.)...Adrian42 wrote:All the "integration courses" and "benefits of integrating and settling in Finland" with a family Residence Permit basically boils down to learning Finnish. And you can do that also while studying.
I'd also doubt that an integration course is necessarily better for integration than university studies with all the social contacts you get at university.
And regarding "except for earning a degree" - a degree is much better in your CV than several years of unemployment while learning Finnish. And if the OP ever decides to leave Finland the degree might still be valuable, while speaking Finnish might not be.
Apart from that you are right, from a financial point of view marriage would be better than coming as a student.
