Who said the russians get the same treatment

[cors187]

Regardless though , Finland exists because Russia made it possible,lol

No kidding... I really do not think you should start lecturing on Finnish history.

Wandered from the kyak.
Settled to live in a non populated swamp.
Breeding
heaped mud and moss on your backs and stuck deer horns on your heads to scare the romans.
people from the west took your swamp.
people from the east took the swamp from the people from the west
someone claimed to invent mini tubepasta with mince meat.

Lecture complete.

[onkko]

All finnish residents (born here or not) are registered by biometric fingerprints in the new passports.. nothing unusual there even though the mere existence of such registery annoys the !"#¤% out of me.

Regardless though , Finland exists because Russia made it possible,lol

Lol.. I don't know what they teach in your schools over there, but as we slaughtered each others near the border both sides had heavy losses, thus the Soviets and Finland ended the war. Should it have continued by the hands of Soviets, it would have escalated into a "guerrilla war" with terrorisms and such after the "capture/conquest".

I wasnt talking about fighting.
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Lenin+ ... 5233119415

He had to because he didnt have enough power to stop it but he tried to reverse it in winter and other wars.

[Oho]

Indeed Germans had an important role in securing Finland its independence by kicking down the Russian empire and thus bringing about the two revolutions and Russian civil war which handed Finns the opportunity. Thanks to white victory in the civil war Finns managed to hold on to it. Role of Russians was largely reduced to, through oppression, motivating Finnish to seek independence in the first place. Later in 1945 after Germany collapsed at least in part the fear of US kept Stalin from annexing Finland by force, thus from my perspective, Finland, of foreign powers, owes more for its independence to Germany and US than it does to Russia in any of its incarnations.

[onkko]

Indeed Germans had important role in securing Finland its independence by kicking down the Russian empire and thus bringing about the two revolutions and Russian civil war which handed Finns the opportunity. Thanks to white victory in the civil war Finns managed to hold on to it. Role of Russians was largely reduced to, through oppression, motivating Finnish to seek independence in the first place. Later in 1945 after Germany collapsed at least in part the fear of US kept Stalin from annexing Finland by force, thus from my perspective, Finland, of foreign powers, owes more for its independence to Germany and US than it does to Russia in any of its incarnations.

I would direct my thanks to germans, withouth them we would have been fcd.

[faronel]

He had to because he didnt have enough power to stop it but he tried to reverse it in winter and other wars.

First of all, I come from Estonia - a country with a very similar background in hating Russians. Also, I do support the fact that the Soviet Union was a ruthless warmonger.

BUT... Where Onkko gets his facts wrong is...

Lenin was a revolutionist who thanks to a political tension between Finland and Czar Russia had an opportunity to hide in Tampere, Helsinki etc. As a result of it, newly formed Soviet Russia with Lenin as their leader was the first country to recognize Finland's declaration of independence (only after that the Western "buddies" like Sweden, France etc joined the de jure support group). So, the claim that "Lenin had to" is bs.

The Soviet Russia that attacked Finland (and Baltics states and etc) was under the leadership of Stalin - Stalin's ruling was an absolute opposite style of leadership. Here, I will agree that the former form of Russia (Stalin's Soviet Union) did not help in forming Finland's independence, but tried to destroy it. However, as we skip another history chapter, Finland did benefit extensively from co-operation with Soviet Union after WW2 (aside the war reparations).

I am not pro-Russian but I cannot help myself to giggle at the idea some people get regarding Russia when their own understanding of history is either entirely flawed or selectively learned.


But on the main topic... Too many variables for me to pick a side. From one point of view, it is unfair if a country A is treated better than a country B when, in practice, the countries should be treated the same way. However, from another point of view, the politics play their role. Russian government does not make it easier to be more trusted. With creating new anti-gay laws etc, this unfair treatment can be regarded as well as a sanction against this undemocratic Putinism.

[onkko]

However, as we skip another history chapter, Finland did benefit extensively from co-operation with Soviet Union after WW2 (aside the war reparations).

Like one benefits when bandit keeps gun on your head and tells that you should be nice and i give you a dollar....

[cors187]

I would direct my thanks to germans, withouth them we would have been fcd.

But as we all know, german logic would have seen the future haplo data as warrent to annex Finland to the Japanese.

I think you should just thank lenin.

[Ronn1e]

Well I also live over 1000 from Moscow and over 2000 from Petersburg. What really sucks is that we have to travel there to even file a visa application, and then travel again to get it, and then travel again when it's finally time to go to the country of destination. For an average provincial person with incomes much lower than in those 2 places it can be even considered somewhat a luxury. I don't know why the applications cant be sent by mail, that could've made life much easier really. Ah well...

[onkko]

I would direct my thanks to germans, withouth them we would have been fcd.

But as we all know, german logic would have seen the future haplo data as warrent to annex Finland to the Japanese.

I think you should just thank lenin.

Lenin just couldnt handle finland in time so he had to give independence, didnt stop him and precessors to fund 1918 and attacking 1939 to get us back in happy multicultural family of USSR.
Did we have a choice?

[Oho]

But as we all know, german logic would have seen the future haplo data as warrent to annex Finland to the Japanese..

No kidding, too bad the Germans did not win then..... I'd much rather see Finland as part of Japan than the EU.... You really talk about things you know diddly squat if that about.

The very idea of Lenin's gift was invented in Finland sometime during the late sixties if not early seventies to exploit Lenin cult in the Soviet Union. That is deified Lenin could do nothing wrong which made Finnish independence, however limited, sacred which helped Finns, Kekkonen in particular, in curbing Soviet aspirations for establishing DDR styled peoples democracy in Finland. Finland should be grateful the likes of Halonen and Tuomioja were not in charge a the time or we'd ended up with our own brand of Erich Honecker, as the likes of Halonen would have welcomed Soviet rule.

[cors187]

I cant even muster one caring thought about lenin or finland , keep your gay diary the way you want it written.I wont be reading it.

[cors187]

I would direct my thanks to germans, withouth them we would have been fcd.

But as we all know, german logic would have seen the future haplo data as warrent to annex Finland to the Japanese.

I think you should just thank lenin.

Lenin just couldnt handle finland in time so he had to give independence, didnt stop him and precessors to fund 1918 and attacking 1939 to get us back in happy multicultural family of USSR.
Did we have a choice?

Maybe you need to direct your furnace like feelings towards commies.
I lived in russia for years and was lucky to meet a modern day russia federation citizen who was pro russia united.

[Oho]

Maybe you need to direct your furnace like feelings towards commies.

But he is isn't he?

[Oho]

I cant even muster one caring thought about lenin or finland ,

That is abundantly clear, still you mustered the will to resurrect an all but dead thread.

[cors187]

Well I also live over 1000 from Moscow and over 2000 from Petersburg. What really sucks is that we have to travel there to even file a visa application, and then travel again to get it, and then travel again when it's finally time to go to the country of destination. For an average provincial person with incomes much lower than in those 2 places it can be even considered somewhat a luxury. I don't know why the applications cant be sent by mail, that could've made life much easier really. Ah well...

I solved my problems by throwing Euros at the situation.
Hard earned finnish born euro straight into some russians pockets just to make my wifes trips safer.