How to protect the residents’ and the private house owners’

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Re: How to protect the residents’ and the private house owne

Post by SergeyS » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:32 am

rinso wrote:
Who select the specialist for such judgement ?
When you're appealing a decision of the city counsel, you can bring your own witnesses.
The city/developers will bring theirs.
It is up to the judge to weight the different opinions.

In an appeal case you should present good arguments (proof, experts and so on). Just stating "I don't like it" has little impact.
it is reason why I ask links to Rules( Law, regulation , practices ) for build " Floating house"( in front shore houses ).
I did not find yet any documents for this cases. Seems there is hole in Finish developer regulation .( may be nobody expected such problem early and the developer is using this law weakness )

re:Just stating "I don't like it" has little impact

Law has to account( base) that community likes.



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Re: How to protect the residents’ and the private house owne

Post by Jukka Aho » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:25 pm

SergeyS wrote:it is reason why I ask links to Rules( Law, regulation , practices ) for build " Floating house"( in front shore houses ). I did not find yet any documents for this cases. Seems there is hole in Finish developer regulation .( may be nobody expected such problem early and the developer is using this law weakness )
The City of Helsinki has been considering a designated area for houseboats in Kipparlahti, Herttoniemenranta. Here’s their preliminary feasibility study on the subject, as a PDF (includes a single-page English summary but the Finnish text is much more comprehensive):
However, that document is from 9 years ago. I have no idea what the current situation is. (The website of the City of Helsinki gives the impression things are still at planning stage but the thought has not been abandoned.)
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Re: How to protect the residents’ and the private house owne

Post by Upphew » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:23 pm

Jukka Aho wrote:
SergeyS wrote:it is reason why I ask links to Rules( Law, regulation , practices ) for build " Floating house"( in front shore houses ). I did not find yet any documents for this cases. Seems there is hole in Finish developer regulation .( may be nobody expected such problem early and the developer is using this law weakness )
The City of Helsinki has been considering a designated area for houseboats in Kipparlahti, Herttoniemenranta. Here’s their preliminary feasibility study on the subject, as a PDF (includes a single-page English summary but the Finnish text is much more comprehensive):
However, that document is from 9 years ago. I have no idea what the current situation is. (The website of the City of Helsinki gives the impression things are still at planning stage but the thought has not been abandoned.)
Greenhippies are against those too. And it is not like we have run out of land to build...
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Re: How to protect the residents’ and the private house owne

Post by SergeyS » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:42 pm

Jukka Aho wrote:
SergeyS wrote:it is reason why I ask links to Rules( Law, regulation , practices ) for build " Floating house"( in front shore houses ). I did not find yet any documents for this cases. Seems there is hole in Finish developer regulation .( may be nobody expected such problem early and the developer is using this law weakness )
The City of Helsinki has been considering a designated area for houseboats in Kipparlahti, Herttoniemenranta. Here’s their preliminary feasibility study on the subject, as a PDF (includes a single-page English summary but the Finnish text is much more comprehensive):
However, that document is from 9 years ago. I have no idea what the current situation is. (The website of the City of Helsinki gives the impression things are still at planning stage but the thought has not been abandoned.)
Thanks. it is interesting document.
It includes below text

"Living in a houseboat was still pos- sible for 30–50 years ago in some areas in Helsinki, e.g. the Firewood Quay in Northern Harbour and the museum area of Suomenlinna fortification. Nowadays living in a houseboat is not allowed. General opinion about this kind of living has been positive in principle and politi cians have requested plans for areas for houseboats and other floating structures."

From one side : "Nowadays living in a houseboat is not allowed"
From other side : "politicians have requested plans for areas for houseboats and other floating structures"

re:However, that document is from 9 years ago. I have no idea what the current situation is.

Seems there is strong opposition in Helsinki for such plans.
may be they( politicians or developers) want to try create precedent in some small city( as Ylojarvi) then to use it for promotion in Helsinki.?
I see historical and economical reasons for such floating houses in Amsterdam , Stockholm , Dubai and may be even in Helsinki .( all of them are sea(river)port capitals .)
But Ylojarvi is small city( a lot of space) and they want build floating houses on small(2kmx0.5km) Lake!

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Re: How to protect the residents’ and the private house owne

Post by Upphew » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:14 pm

SergeyS wrote:Seems there is strong opposition in Helsinki for such plans.
may be they( politicians or developers) want to try create precedent in some small city( as Ylojarvi) then to use it for promotion in Helsinki.?
I see historical and economical reasons for such floating houses in Amsterdam , Stockholm , Dubai and may be even in Helsinki .( all of them are sea(river)port capitals .)
But Ylojarvi is small city( a lot of space) and they want build floating houses on small(2kmx0.5km) Lake!
Helsinki has already two areas that are zoned for floating houses: http://yle.fi/uutiset/kelluva_talo_talv ... la/6863674
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Re: How to protect the residents’ and the private house owne

Post by foca » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:29 am

we had a somewhat similar situation close to our summer cottage a couple if years ago. some local company ( in Mikkeli ) wanted to have a new quarry just a couple kilometers from our place ( and just a kilometer from nearby village) . people pulled their efforts together and the quarry project was cancelled ( even though it was initially approved by the local authorities) . at the end we paid something like 120 Eur to a local attorney who represented us. so get help - it is possible to fight things like that. I believe that the reason for cancellation of our local project was purely environmental and also related to dome petroglyphs ( which I even had not known to exist )...
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