No need

[ablo]

old issue

[Rip]

(I thought you got a reasonable reply already the first time you asked this)

The permit is as "permanent" as it has been (can be revoked under certain conditions, but does not need periodic renewal).
The card you need to renew every five years, like most of need to renew other documents.

[ablo]

(I thought you got a reasonable reply already the first time you asked this)

The permit is as "permanent" as it has been (can be revoked under certain conditions, but does not need periodic renewal).
The card you need to renew every five years, like most of need to renew other documents.

Thanks for remembering the topic. However no satisfactory explanation was received. The answers were this kind : "if he understands correctly..." or "not sure , whether it is implemented here ..." etc..
Actually I am looking for a clear and definite opinion in light of the current Finnish law.

If the current law clearly tells that the maximum duration of "residence permit" ( not card/sticker validity) is 5 years, then why it is called "permanent"residence permit?
A card is a renewable material ,every one knows, but the point is here not about the card renewal ( like master card or others), the point is about the renewal of residence permit.

[Pursuivant]

Well have you read that? http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/alkup/2011/20110631 its pretty clear to me. And doesn't say jack about any changes in the duration of permits. It talks of the duration of the card.

[Rip]

If the current law clearly tells that the maximum duration of "residence permit" ( not card/sticker validity) is 5 years, then why it is called "permanent"residence permit?

It does NOT tell so, clearly or otherwise

33 §
Oleskelulupa on joko määräaikainen tai pysyvä.

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Pysyvä oleskelulupa on voimassa toistaiseksi.

(= Permanent residence permits are valid until further notice.)

33 a § (10.6.2011/631)
Oleskelulupakortti

Oleskeluluvan osoitukseksi annetaan oleskelulupakortti.
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Oleskelulupakortti annetaan oleskeluluvan voimassaoloajaksi. Oleskelulupakortti voidaan erityisestä syystä antaa tätä lyhyemmäksi ajaksi. Oleskelulupakortti on voimassa kuitenkin enintään viisi vuotta.

[Pursuivant]

The biometric PR cards are an EU/Schengen thing... theres a directive out there.

[ablo]

@IraniSuomi

First try to be a gentleman. Nobody enforced you to write in my thread. You have always right to avoid any topics. My thread is only for the gentleman. Read the previous answers in this thread and learn how to focus on a point and interact in a society. i am not your friend, dont try to be over smart by using those cheap words . I believe u come from a gentle family. Dont make me think otherwise.

[Kutittaa]

IraniSuomi is a halfwit troll who's heading for an eventual ban when one of the mods gets fed up with him. Just ignore him...

Though the permanent residence permit is indeed still permanent. Hence it's name. The card, (as was explained) needs to be renewed.
Also Migri doesn't lie.

[Pursuivant]

There is a slight difference with a residence permit card and a residence card, the latter are for non-EU spouses of EU nationals, who again don't need a permit, but need to register their right of residence... no doubt now that its only the police/embassy you can leave your applications at - and personally - the main city police stations its going to be a real zoo as of course theres no resources... anyone got their biodynamite card yet? Like the color?

[bigomena]

Hi, I recently came across the same issue. Is there any clear answer whether you need a permanent job and reasonable income to renew the permanent residence on your passport after 5 years ? Or how is it gonna work?

Thanks

[Upphew]

Hi, I recently came across the same issue. Is there any clear answer whether you need a permanent job and reasonable income to renew the permanent residence on your passport after 5 years ? Or how is it gonna work?

Thanks

http://www.migri.fi/residence_permits/p ... ermit_card

[Rip]

[Do] you need a permanent job and reasonable income to renew the permanent residence on your passport after 5 years ?

The permit is permanent. The physical document you should renew, but you don't need any proof of income for that.