A few questions regarding education system in Finland

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A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by Jovison » Tue May 06, 2014 7:53 am

Hi everyone, I have always heard and saw news regarding how Finland is the world's leading country in terms of education system. As a student, I have always been interested and at the same time concerned with the current education system. So far, I have studied in Indonesia and United States and I did feel quite some differences. Indonesia, as I experienced it, focused more on the memorization of the theory; United States, on the other hand, focused more in helping students to understand the theories. However, I felt that both countries don't seem to emphasize on the application of the theories in real life. I personally, believe that an educated individual is an individual that is capable of applying the knowledge he learnt in real life. The following are my questions:

1. Does Finland education system focus more on the application of knowledge in real life or is there something else?
2. How is Finland's education system different from other countries?
3. What makes Finland the world's leading country in education and what is the definition of educated in this context?

These are my questions. Please enlighten me as I am really intrigued and am thinking about going to Finland to study.

Thank you very much :D



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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by betelgeuse » Tue May 06, 2014 11:27 am

Jovison wrote: These are my questions. Please enlighten me as I am really intrigued and am thinking about going to Finland to study.

Thank you very much :D
It should be noted that when the media talks about the Finnish education system it is usually about our primary schools.

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by rinso » Tue May 06, 2014 11:31 am

In short strong points are;
- independent thinking and working
- problem solving
- weaker students are supported and not left behind.

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by betelgeuse » Wed May 07, 2014 1:33 am

tummansininen wrote: Although the PISA studies continually push countries to examine the Finnish teaching systems alone, a good part of the high scores is the language itself. It's a complicated language, followed by learning at least another two languages in the first few years, and languages are known to broaden logical thinking. Another good chunk of why Finland scores so well is the widespread culture of acceptance of education and the value placed on it in general, leading kids to want to do well.
You only have to take one foreign language between grades 1-6 (usually third).

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by Jovison » Wed May 07, 2014 3:12 am

It should be noted that when the media talks about the Finnish education system it is usually about our primary schools.
How about colleges? Is the system different?
Teaching children to teach themselves allows more advanced students to do self-guided study. Finnish "elementary" teachers typically teach about 15 hours per week (students are only there for 15-20, depending on their age) and for much of that time the teachers have aides in the classroom with them. Teachers and schools are free to design and implement their own curriculum as they please. Teachers are considered highly-skilled professionals who are able to do this without being told how to do it :)
Does this mean students typically learn to apply the knowledge in real life by themselves or is it guided by the teachers as well?

By the way, thank you for the replies everyone :D

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by DMC » Wed May 07, 2014 8:12 am

I think there are a lot of myths about the Finnish education system For example:
tummansininen wrote:Children are not routinely tested to see if they have achieved a checklist of things that they "should know by X age".
Children are tested far more frequently than was the case in the UK during my time at school. Throughout the year there are tests every few weeks, often in multiple subjects in the same week. also the scores that children obtain at all ages seem to be important and to be retained. Again, comparing it to my school time in the UK (a long time ago now) we sat exams at the age of 16 (and 18 for those that continued at school) but the scores we obtained in the years before that were then forgotten about. In Finland it seems that marks and averages obtained when younger are carried through to final graduation.
It may be true that these frequent tests are not for national comparison or statistical purposes, I don't know. I don't think that is important from the child's viewpoint. The child just sees a constant stream of tests and these are stressful no matter why they are done.

Another myth is that
Students typically have no homework.
It simply is not true. It seems to me they get homework most days and get in trouble if they don't do it. Nothing wrong with that in my view so I don't understand how/ why the "no homework" myth started or continues.

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by betelgeuse » Wed May 07, 2014 10:15 am

tummansininen wrote:Ah you are right. But I was speaking of all peruskoulu, and even though the second language in 7th isn't compulsory I don't think, I am told that most schools pretty much force it with no real other choices. It might be different outside of Helsinki.
Mandatory Swedish starts at 7th.

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by Rosamunda » Wed May 07, 2014 12:31 pm

It is also a myth that there are teaching assistants in every classroom. There would only be a teaching assistant in a classroom where there is a child/children with severe learning disabilities or maybe some other issue such as a mobility problem or a health problem such as severe asthma or epilepsy etc. While every school has access to special ed teaching support, these specialists can't be physically present in every classroom all the time (and the budgets are not getting any bigger).

There is a National Core Curriculum that outlines the framework for each academic year. The National Core Curriculum does not stipulate the kinds of teaching methods that have to be used, so the teachers have the autonomy to decide HOW to organise the classroom based on their own training and experience. There's more on here: http://www.oph.fi/english/curricula_and ... _education.

By "college", do you mean high school (we call it "lukio" here)?
A college can either be an academic high school or a vocational high school (the split in numbers of students is about 50/50) and in both cases entrance is selective (based on a grade point average) so it's true that continual assessment and grades are very important in upper secondary school (grades 7-9) as the level of achievement will determine which college the student can go to.
Lukios offer an academic curriculum leading to a High School Certificate (awarded on completion of all the compulsory courses) and a Matriculation Exam. The curriculum is quite broad and includes all the basic literacy and numeracy subjects. Most Lukio graduates go on to higher education in Finland or abroad.
Vocational High Schools are skills based and aim at getting students into employment or into further vocational education.
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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by CH » Wed May 07, 2014 2:48 pm

tummansininen wrote: The Finnish primary school system (peruskoulu - age 7 to 16) does not apply rigid benchmarks to children. Children are not routinely tested to see if they have achieved a checklist of things that they "should know by X age". This is in stark contrast the US, UK and Commonwealth countries where standardised testing is the norm. The concept that there is no need for children to meet any particular benchmark frees teachers from onerous testing, frees the students from stressful examinations and allows them all to learn at the pace that suits them all.
Well... yes and no... the National Core Curriculum, that Rosamunda already mentioned, states what the child should know in a subject to receive a specific grade. So even though there is no common standardized tests, there definitely is a benchmark. Oh, and kids most definitely do have homework!

To OP: Finland succeeds on good averages and fewer kids who are low performers. The school system is aimed at a good basic education for all, no matter what your background is. If you are looking for a country with the best of the best schools for top students then Finland isn't the country for you.

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by Jovison » Thu May 08, 2014 1:35 am

Rosamunda wrote:
By "college", do you mean high school (we call it "lukio" here)?
Vocational High Schools are skills based and aim at getting students into employment or into further vocational education.
Oh, sorry, I mean college as in university. Thank you btw.
CH wrote:
tummansininen wrote: To OP: Finland succeeds on good averages and fewer kids who are low performers. The school system is aimed at a good basic education for all, no matter what your background is. If you are looking for a country with the best of the best schools for top students then Finland isn't the country for you.
I see, thank you very much :D

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by Telecomn » Thu May 08, 2014 4:00 pm

I'd also like to add that all teachers in Finland are not only highly educated, but they all have strong background in worklife. This all enables great teaching in Finnish education system. Some teachers studied biology in Uni, after which they worked in that specific field for at least 5 years and after that came to teach students. This maximizes possibility to teach and students to learn quick as possible. All teachers in Finland have specific background, usually Mathematics teachers cannot be English teachers, unless they are very familiar with that field. So not only they know how to teach theoretically but practically, which is very important. Theoretical level is not always enough. This is why Finnish edu system is the best.
Also, as a student, if you do not understand something, teachers will gladly help, and they call it "rautalangasta vääntäminen". :)

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by betelgeuse » Fri May 09, 2014 8:53 pm

tummansininen wrote: Lukio is interesting though, because failing a class seems to have no repercussions whatsoever and you just have to go back and sit that class again later whenever it suits you. Is that the case in all lukios?
Yes and it's the default in universities too.

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Re: A few questions regarding education system in Finland

Post by Pursuivant » Fri May 09, 2014 10:20 pm

The matriculation examination though is a national test, and talk about stress... The grades you get in it do matter in applying for further education. These days though you can take 4 years to finish it and take the matriculation exam in two different years.
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