Citizenship Application 2022

[Stone360]

Migri is so busy at the moment because of the ongoing war. Many Ukrainians are coming into Finland and seeking asylum. This doubles the work for Migri.

[letseatpizza]

My theory is that our application passed the information verification phrase ( such as SUPO) and now is really waiting to be processed by Migri.That is why some of us received the message and some not yet.

Interesting theory! I wonder if we can confirm with those who have received their decisions? Has anyone received the “waiting for processing” email shortly before the status changed / decision was made? For me it was like this (odd):

18.2 waiting for processing email
1.3 - 2.3 two automated emails as I updated migri about my travel plans
4.3 second waiting for processing email

[letseatpizza]

I would recommend sending an email to Migri if you travel outside Finland, and especially if you leave the EU. I did that over the winter holidays as I travelled to a country that was not a member of the EU. My application went into processing 2 days before I arrived back in Finland, then remained at stage 2 over the weekend. I received a decision in the early hours of the next working day. I was also informed that my residence permit was cancelled at the same time. I'm fairly certain it would have made re-entering the EU difficult if my application was processed while I was away.

Did you contact them again when you returned?

Not directly. I had included the dates of my travel in the email I sent, and once I returned I updated my travel history (which their response email asked me to do via Enter Finland).

Sorry to ask again. Did you receive a response from a migri officer or was it an automated email?

[boy30062021]

My theory is that our application passed the information verification phrase ( such as SUPO) and now is really waiting to be processed by Migri.That is why some of us received the message and some not yet.

Interesting theory! I wonder if we can confirm with those who have received their decisions? Has anyone received the “waiting for processing” email shortly before the status changed / decision was made? For me it was like this (odd):

18.2 waiting for processing email
1.3 - 2.3 two automated emails as I updated migri about my travel plans
4.3 second waiting for processing email

I think it is just weird, I have received it 3 times last 3 weeks. I also read somewhere that they send every 2 weeks some notifications so bit confusing. Lets just finger crossed people who applied last May and June to have decision very soon. I think immigration is giving anxiety to people . Lets just be patient and keep calm

[odara]

I applied in the middle of November 2021 currently my queue number is around 6400. I have one question regarding the language assessment.
I have provided them with my YKI keksitaso with kirjoittaminen, tekstin ymmartaminen and puheen ymmarttaminen at level 3 and puhuminen below 3 (failed). But I have the required combination (kirjoittaminen and tekstin ymmarttaminen) passed to satisfy the language requirements. I told the interviewer that puhuminen was difficult for me as I don't use finnish at work.
I asked their permission and clarified a few things in English as the immigration-related Finnish is somewhat difficult. Would this have some negative impact on my result? I came here for Masters's with residence permit and currently working in a tech company with P permit.

[akuno_hime_1412]

I applied in the middle of November 2021 currently my queue number is around 6400. I have one question regarding the language assessment.
I have provided them with my YKI keksitaso with kirjoittaminen, tekstin ymmartaminen and puheen ymmarttaminen at level 3 and puhuminen below 3 (failed). But I have the required combination (kirjoittaminen and tekstin ymmarttaminen) passed to satisfy the language requirements. I told the interviewer that puhuminen was difficult for me as I don't use finnish at work.
I asked their permission and clarified a few things in English as the immigration-related Finnish is somewhat difficult. Would this have some negative impact on my result? I came here for Masters's with residence permit and currently working in a tech company with P permit.

That should not be a problem as you have passed the required skills( or skills combination).
But here's a text from migri

We also take into consideration your practical language skills when you are in contact with us
You must also be able to use Finnish or Swedish in practice, at least on a satisfactory level.

When we are processing your citizenship application, we will also take account of your ability to express yourself in spoken and written Finnish or Swedish, for example when you interact with the Finnish Immigration Service. This means that we will compare your language skills with the certificate that you have presented as proof of your language skills.

If your Finnish or Swedish skills do not correspond to the certificate you have presented to us, this may affect the decision.

So if you weren't able to speak to them in satisfactory finnish, at least demonstrate that you can understand and able to respond to them corresponding to your skills.
But "may affect" is a weak statement. Usually to my understanding, they would only give definitive decision if something is stated as "usually" "must".
"may" is grayer and probably won't have that much effect. You got an education and a decent job and not relying on social benefits, they would want to keep you of course! Good luck on your application.

[U123ser]

Hi,

I proved my Finnish language skill through a vocational qualification certificate as mentioned at Migri's website: https://migri.fi/en/language-skills

"From 1 January 2018 onwards:
A vocational upper secondary qualification, a further vocational qualification or a specialist vocational qualification that has been achieved through studies in Finnish or Swedish (qualification according to act 531/2017)."

The qualification was in the Finnish language officially and last for about 9 months. English was used by the teacher in our communications and I never asked for using English. Of course, I am more proficient in English than Finnish.

A couple of weeks after my application went to "processing", the case officer has objected to the certificate, stating that I used English towards achieving the qualification certificate, such as communication or verbal discussions. The case officer formed his opinion based on information she received from the institution. It is surprising that I never asked the instructor at the institution to use English with me. He used English in our interactions by himself. Nonetheless, the qualification program is officially in Finnish. At the time of proving my identity, I used the Finnish language (no English at all).

Now, I have been asked to provide different evidence of language skills through the certificates given at the above link. It is funny that I already provided them a qualification certificate according to act 531/2017 as admissible by Migri but they are not accepting it. Any alternative language sufficiency certificate as outlined by MIGRI will take another year or so but I have been asked to provide such evidence within two weeks!

Has anyone come across this situation? Can Migri nullify a certificate that is outlined by them on their website?

I will appreciate it if someone could share his/her experience?

[hotplay]

Hi,

I proved my Finnish language skill through a vocational qualification certificate as mentioned at Migri's website: https://migri.fi/en/language-skills

"From 1 January 2018 onwards:
A vocational upper secondary qualification, a further vocational qualification or a specialist vocational qualification that has been achieved through studies in Finnish or Swedish (qualification according to act 531/2017)."

The qualification was in the Finnish language officially and last for about 9 months. English was used by the teacher in our communications and I never asked for using English. Of course, I am more proficient in English than Finnish.

A couple of weeks after my application went to "processing", the case officer has objected to the certificate, stating that I used English towards achieving the qualification certificate, such as communication or verbal discussions. The case officer formed his opinion based on information she received from the institution. It is surprising that I never asked the instructor at the institution to use English with me. He used English in our interactions by himself. Nonetheless, the qualification program is officially in Finnish. At the time of proving my identity, I used the Finnish language (no English at all).

Now, I have been asked to provide different evidence of language skills through the certificates given at the above link. It is funny that I already provided them a qualification certificate according to act 531/2017 as admissible by Migri but they are not accepting it. Any alternative language sufficiency certificate as outlined by MIGRI will take another year or so but I have been asked to provide such evidence within two weeks!

Has anyone come across this situation? Can Migri nullify a certificate that is outlined by them on their website?

I will appreciate it if someone could share his/her experience?

Well , you know , and they know , and the teacher knows ,and now we two know that the the teaching was in english . so I don't think there is much you can do.the word "officially" is silly in this context , as the whole process is at the discrition of the officer if we want to to get legal .
My advice is to take the YKI test , if your language is as good as you proport it to be

[poromiess]

Hi,

I proved my Finnish language skill through a vocational qualification certificate as mentioned at Migri's website: https://migri.fi/en/language-skills

"From 1 January 2018 onwards:
A vocational upper secondary qualification, a further vocational qualification or a specialist vocational qualification that has been achieved through studies in Finnish or Swedish (qualification according to act 531/2017)."

The qualification was in the Finnish language officially and last for about 9 months. English was used by the teacher in our communications and I never asked for using English. Of course, I am more proficient in English than Finnish.

A couple of weeks after my application went to "processing", the case officer has objected to the certificate, stating that I used English towards achieving the qualification certificate, such as communication or verbal discussions. The case officer formed his opinion based on information she received from the institution. It is surprising that I never asked the instructor at the institution to use English with me. He used English in our interactions by himself. Nonetheless, the qualification program is officially in Finnish. At the time of proving my identity, I used the Finnish language (no English at all).

Now, I have been asked to provide different evidence of language skills through the certificates given at the above link. It is funny that I already provided them a qualification certificate according to act 531/2017 as admissible by Migri but they are not accepting it. Any alternative language sufficiency certificate as outlined by MIGRI will take another year or so but I have been asked to provide such evidence within two weeks!

Has anyone come across this situation? Can Migri nullify a certificate that is outlined by them on their website?

I will appreciate it if someone could share his/her experience?

Same process happened to for my wife and she had to take YKI test though she had already vocational certificate from OSAO program in Finnish. Even rejected because the program was officially in finnish language. Migri contacted to OSAO and the teacher told about some extra support to her in english language. She studied almost entire time in finnish language and english language was maybe ten prosent. So ask migri for extra time more than 2 weeks is not enough to take YKI test.

[Mamu]

Hi,

I proved my Finnish language skill through a vocational qualification certificate as mentioned at Migri's website: https://migri.fi/en/language-skills

"From 1 January 2018 onwards:
A vocational upper secondary qualification, a further vocational qualification or a specialist vocational qualification that has been achieved through studies in Finnish or Swedish (qualification according to act 531/2017)."

The qualification was in the Finnish language officially and last for about 9 months. English was used by the teacher in our communications and I never asked for using English. Of course, I am more proficient in English than Finnish.

A couple of weeks after my application went to "processing", the case officer has objected to the certificate, stating that I used English towards achieving the qualification certificate, such as communication or verbal discussions. The case officer formed his opinion based on information she received from the institution. It is surprising that I never asked the instructor at the institution to use English with me. He used English in our interactions by himself. Nonetheless, the qualification program is officially in Finnish. At the time of proving my identity, I used the Finnish language (no English at all).

Now, I have been asked to provide different evidence of language skills through the certificates given at the above link. It is funny that I already provided them a qualification certificate according to act 531/2017 as admissible by Migri but they are not accepting it. Any alternative language sufficiency certificate as outlined by MIGRI will take another year or so but I have been asked to provide such evidence within two weeks!

Has anyone come across this situation? Can Migri nullify a certificate that is outlined by them on their website?

I will appreciate it if someone could share his/her experience?

Same process happened to for my wife and she had to take YKI test though she had already vocational certificate from OSAO program in Finnish. Even rejected because the program was officially in finnish language. Migri contacted to OSAO and the teacher told about some extra support to her in english language. She studied almost entire time in finnish language and english language was maybe ten prosent. So ask migri for extra time more than 2 weeks is not enough to take YKI test.

in this kind a case only YKI test can help or ammattitutkinto ,perustutkinto ,peruskoulu todistus , If the graduate is Finnish language.For example I have ammattitutkinto it has been checked by Migri 2 times and my teacher told me they called her last year bfore new year ask her my language skills. If I were you I call them to ask more time for YKI test.

[letseatpizza]

Keep thinking about the factors that affect application processing times which are not country list related…

It looks like a lot of people receive decisions irrespective of when they have submitted their application and proved their identity, so there must be other reasons.

Could it be that a lot depends on submitted attachments and the grounds for which previous residence permits were granted?

E.g. there is a separate queue for people with a Finnish partner who had a permit issued because of family ties, people will full time jobs, entrepreneurs, etc.

Some people have attached fewer documents (payslips, kela stuff) while others had to pull their business data for migri, making their applications longer.

I wonder if there’s a pattern here? Do we have any information on this forum?

[boy30062021]

Keep thinking about the factors that affect application processing times which are not country list related…

It looks like a lot of people receive decisions irrespective of when they have submitted their application and proved their identity, so there must be other reasons.

Could it be that a lot depends on submitted attachments and the grounds for which previous residence permits were granted?

E.g. there is a separate queue for people with a Finnish partner who had a permit issued because of family ties, people will full time jobs, entrepreneurs, etc.

Some people have attached fewer documents (payslips, kela stuff) while others had to pull their business data for migri, making their applications longer.

I wonder if there’s a pattern here? Do we have any information on this forum?

I think Migri does not have any clear path when it comes to processing. They say people who come here with residence permit have less processing time meanwhile a friend of mine applied 2 months after me and came as refugee here got it already. I have permanent job with good salary and still waiting for about 9 months now. I would say it depends on the mood of the person working at migri. Remember here in Finland a person assigned to your application will do what he wants and how he feels like, so do not stress yourself otherwise you will end up having anxiety as most people living here . if you have job and have your permit wait the day they fill like giving they will, at least that is my logic. At worst case scenario your application will not stay there for 2 years so just be patient. In this group people will just you their opinion but no one know the real reason only migri people do.

[miia88]

Anyone has experience with holding working A permit and got unemployed when applying for citizenship?

[ShadowEn]

Did you contact them again when you returned?

Not directly. I had included the dates of my travel in the email I sent, and once I returned I updated my travel history (which their response email asked me to do via Enter Finland).

Sorry to ask again. Did you receive a response from a migri officer or was it an automated email?

No need to apologise, I'm happy to help. I'm just sorry it took me so long to answer.

I received a response from a Migri official. I sent an email via their own system (securemail.migri.fi), and requested a read receipt, so I also received that. A day or two after that automated response, I received a response from an official.

[boy30062021]

Anyone has experience with holding working A permit and got unemployed when applying for citizenship?

if you have to renew your permit you should look for job but if that is not the case showing unemployment benefit should be enough for you. Are your permit based on work/family/ asylum ? Renewing the permit based on work can be a problem if you do not have job but if it is not work that should be fine. There are people getting citizenship without having a job, they only get Kela. I hope that helps