Citizenship application 2025

[Maaria]

Doesn't the current law already have these? Like asking other authorities, including abroad, and the certificate from abroad. Look at the section 46 of the current law here.

https://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokse ... 070974.pdf

Thanks, yes, interesting, what they will apply to pending application than.

What will be applied to pending applications, rather what will not be applied from the new act to the pending applications is mentioned in the end of the document.
This is the document I am referring to, from the same website.

https://api.hankeikkuna.fi/asiakirjat/5 ... 100038.PDF

They outline the exact differences between the existing law and the proposed changes to each section.

Here is the comparison of the Section 46 (I am only quoting subsection 2, because there are no changes to the other sections):

Current law:
46 §
Lisäselvitysten hankkiminen

Hakemuksesta voidaan pyytää lausunto suojelupoliisilta, keskusrikospoliisilta, Pääesikunnalta ja asianomaiselta sosiaaliviranomaiselta.

Proposed law:
46 §
Lisäselvitysten hankkiminen

Hakemuksesta ja ilmoituksesta voidaan pyytää lausunto suojelupoliisilta, keskusrikospoliisilta, Pääesikunnalta ja asianomaiselta sosiaaliviranomaiselta.

I underlined the difference so it's easily noticeable.
Basically the change is only in 2 words and only in the subsection 2 of section 46. In the proposed law, "ja ilmoituksesta" has been added. So the current check will be expanded to the people who applies for citizenship by declaration or notification. So for most of us here, this change is irrelevant. And the it will apply to the pending applications mean the pending notification applications, as they already apply to naturalization application already. So no change in section 46 for the naturalization applicants.

The main change in this 2nd phase of amendment is the income requirement identity verification change, which will not apply to the pending applications as mentioned at the end section 46 comparision.

Selvitetyn henkilöllisyyden osalta sovelletaan kuitenkin tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa ollutta 6 §:n 3 momenttia ja kansalaistamisen edellytyksenä olevan toimeentulon osalta tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa ollutta 13 §:n 1 momentin 5 kohtaa.

It seems no change for the most of the pending applications in this phase 2 of the amendment.

[TUserFin]

Thanks, yes, interesting, what they will apply to pending application than.

What will be applied to pending applications, rather what will not be applied from the new act to the pending applications is mentioned in the end of the document.
This is the document I am referring to, from the same website.

https://api.hankeikkuna.fi/asiakirjat/5 ... 100038.PDF

They outline the exact differences between the existing law and the proposed changes to each section.

Here is the comparison of the Section 46 (I am only quoting subsection 2, because there are no changes to the other sections):

Current law:
46 §
Lisäselvitysten hankkiminen

Hakemuksesta voidaan pyytää lausunto suojelupoliisilta, keskusrikospoliisilta, Pääesikunnalta ja asianomaiselta sosiaaliviranomaiselta.

Proposed law:
46 §
Lisäselvitysten hankkiminen

Hakemuksesta ja ilmoituksesta voidaan pyytää lausunto suojelupoliisilta, keskusrikospoliisilta, Pääesikunnalta ja asianomaiselta sosiaaliviranomaiselta.

I underlined the difference so it's easily noticeable.
Basically the change is only in 2 words and only in the subsection 2 of section 46. In the proposed law, "ja ilmoituksesta" has been added. So the current check will be expanded to the people who applies for citizenship by declaration or notification. So for most of us here, this change is irrelevant. And the it will apply to the pending applications mean the pending notification applications, as they already apply to naturalization application already. So no change in section 46 for the naturalization applicants.

The main change in this 2nd phase of amendment is the income requirement identity verification change, which will not apply to the pending applications as mentioned at the end section 46 comparision.

Selvitetyn henkilöllisyyden osalta sovelletaan kuitenkin tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa ollutta 6 §:n 3 momenttia ja kansalaistamisen edellytyksenä olevan toimeentulon osalta tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa ollutta 13 §:n 1 momentin 5 kohtaa.

It seems no change for the most of the pending applications in this phase 2 of the amendment.

thanks for analysis and feedback everyone!

[approw1903]

Thanks, yes, interesting, what they will apply to pending application than.

What will be applied to pending applications, rather what will not be applied from the new act to the pending applications is mentioned in the end of the document.
This is the document I am referring to, from the same website.

https://api.hankeikkuna.fi/asiakirjat/5 ... 100038.PDF

They outline the exact differences between the existing law and the proposed changes to each section.

Here is the comparison of the Section 46 (I am only quoting subsection 2, because there are no changes to the other sections):

Current law:
46 §
Lisäselvitysten hankkiminen

Hakemuksesta voidaan pyytää lausunto suojelupoliisilta, keskusrikospoliisilta, Pääesikunnalta ja asianomaiselta sosiaaliviranomaiselta.

Proposed law:
46 §
Lisäselvitysten hankkiminen

Hakemuksesta ja ilmoituksesta voidaan pyytää lausunto suojelupoliisilta, keskusrikospoliisilta, Pääesikunnalta ja asianomaiselta sosiaaliviranomaiselta.

I underlined the difference so it's easily noticeable.
Basically the change is only in 2 words and only in the subsection 2 of section 46. In the proposed law, "ja ilmoituksesta" has been added. So the current check will be expanded to the people who applies for citizenship by declaration or notification. So for most of us here, this change is irrelevant. And the it will apply to the pending applications mean the pending notification applications, as they already apply to naturalization application already. So no change in section 46 for the naturalization applicants.

The main change in this 2nd phase of amendment is the income requirement identity verification change, which will not apply to the pending applications as mentioned at the end section 46 comparision.

Selvitetyn henkilöllisyyden osalta sovelletaan kuitenkin tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa ollutta 6 §:n 3 momenttia ja kansalaistamisen edellytyksenä olevan toimeentulon osalta tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa ollutta 13 §:n 1 momentin 5 kohtaa.

It seems no change for the most of the pending applications in this phase 2 of the amendment.

Thanks a lot for looking into it in a great detail, much appreciated.

[Maaria]

What will be applied to pending applications, rather what will not be applied from the new act to the pending applications is mentioned in the end of the document.
This is the document I am referring to, from the same website.

https://api.hankeikkuna.fi/asiakirjat/5 ... 100038.PDF

They outline the exact differences between the existing law and the proposed changes to each section.

Here is the comparison of the Section 46 (I am only quoting subsection 2, because there are no changes to the other sections):

Current law:
46 §
Lisäselvitysten hankkiminen

Hakemuksesta voidaan pyytää lausunto suojelupoliisilta, keskusrikospoliisilta, Pääesikunnalta ja asianomaiselta sosiaaliviranomaiselta.

Proposed law:
46 §
Lisäselvitysten hankkiminen

Hakemuksesta ja ilmoituksesta voidaan pyytää lausunto suojelupoliisilta, keskusrikospoliisilta, Pääesikunnalta ja asianomaiselta sosiaaliviranomaiselta.

I underlined the difference so it's easily noticeable.
Basically the change is only in 2 words and only in the subsection 2 of section 46. In the proposed law, "ja ilmoituksesta" has been added. So the current check will be expanded to the people who applies for citizenship by declaration or notification. So for most of us here, this change is irrelevant. And the it will apply to the pending applications mean the pending notification applications, as they already apply to naturalization application already. So no change in section 46 for the naturalization applicants.

The main change in this 2nd phase of amendment is the income requirement identity verification change, which will not apply to the pending applications as mentioned at the end section 46 comparision.

Selvitetyn henkilöllisyyden osalta sovelletaan kuitenkin tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa ollutta 6 §:n 3 momenttia ja kansalaistamisen edellytyksenä olevan toimeentulon osalta tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa ollutta 13 §:n 1 momentin 5 kohtaa.

It seems no change for the most of the pending applications in this phase 2 of the amendment.

Thanks a lot for looking into it in a great detail, much appreciated.

You are welcome!

[kurkkutabletti]

Hi! Anyone from March 2024 has any updates?

I've become really desperate to receive the decision in January.

I was on a fast queue since I'm married to a finnish citizen. I applied 20ish March and received a diary number a week later. Last year I was told the maximum waiting time is 9 months. I called them in December asking about update, the told me I should expect it very soon. I called them again this week and they said now they can't say how long is processing time as it is 9-31 months for everyone now starting from January 1st. My life is a nightmare, I wake up and check my email first thing in the morning.
The reason I'm so frustrated is that I can not plan my life any further until I get my decision. I can't travel, I can't have business trips, I can't apply for any interesting projects abroad just because I'm waiting and changes to my situation might affect the decision.
What I don't understand even more is that some people who applied later than me have already received their decisions. And migri confirms there's nothing wrong with my application and I just should wait.

Phew. Please say something reassuring so I don't lose my faith entirely.

[Elovenamokka]

Hi! Anyone from March 2024 has any updates?

I've become really desperate to receive the decision in January.

I was on a fast queue since I'm married to a finnish citizen. I applied 20ish March and received a diary number a week later. Last year I was told the maximum waiting time is 9 months. I called them in December asking about update, the told me I should expect it very soon. I called them again this week and they said now they can't say how long is processing time as it is 9-31 months for everyone now starting from January 1st. My life is a nightmare, I wake up and check my email first thing in the morning.
The reason I'm so frustrated is that I can not plan my life any further until I get my decision. I can't travel, I can't have business trips, I can't apply for any interesting projects abroad just because I'm waiting and changes to my situation might affect the decision.
What I don't understand even more is that some people who applied later than me have already received their decisions. And migri confirms there's nothing wrong with my application and I just should wait.

Phew. Please say something reassuring so I don't lose my faith entirely.

You are not alone. I am also from late March 2024 and got diary number on 3rd April. Still waiting for processing phase.
I was given the estimated timeline of 9 -10 months by Migri. I really hope we will get our decisions soon. Nowadays migri does not give specific timeline anymore and they only give general new 9-31 months.
But I guess the remaining March, April applicants should get decisions through this month or Februrary at the latest if they don't belong to long queue.

Let's stay positive and hopefully we will get decision soon.

[TUserFin]

Hi! Anyone from March 2024 has any updates?

I've become really desperate to receive the decision in January.

I was on a fast queue since I'm married to a finnish citizen. I applied 20ish March and received a diary number a week later. Last year I was told the maximum waiting time is 9 months. I called them in December asking about update, the told me I should expect it very soon. I called them again this week and they said now they can't say how long is processing time as it is 9-31 months for everyone now starting from January 1st. My life is a nightmare, I wake up and check my email first thing in the morning.
The reason I'm so frustrated is that I can not plan my life any further until I get my decision. I can't travel, I can't have business trips, I can't apply for any interesting projects abroad just because I'm waiting and changes to my situation might affect the decision.
What I don't understand even more is that some people who applied later than me have already received their decisions. And migri confirms there's nothing wrong with my application and I just should wait.

Phew. Please say something reassuring so I don't lose my faith entirely.

You are not alone. I applied on July 2023, I have finnish wife and high income. The reason why Im waiting so long is because Im enterpreneur, and we are in separate long migri queue. Sometimes I just think it is just a price to make more than others or part of "interesting" life of risk takers. Sometimes I have a lot of stress about this too, but now I mamage it much better than year ago.

p.s. when I see how many people with finnish passport struggle these days beacuse of job loss, but Im afloat, I always tell myself that it is not all that bad and will be even better after all this ends. i.e. the streess because of this can be converted to useful innovation energy.

[hellofinland23]

Hi! Anyone from March 2024 has any updates?

I've become really desperate to receive the decision in January.

I was on a fast queue since I'm married to a finnish citizen. I applied 20ish March and received a diary number a week later. Last year I was told the maximum waiting time is 9 months. I called them in December asking about update, the told me I should expect it very soon. I called them again this week and they said now they can't say how long is processing time as it is 9-31 months for everyone now starting from January 1st. My life is a nightmare, I wake up and check my email first thing in the morning.
The reason I'm so frustrated is that I can not plan my life any further until I get my decision. I can't travel, I can't have business trips, I can't apply for any interesting projects abroad just because I'm waiting and changes to my situation might affect the decision.
What I don't understand even more is that some people who applied later than me have already received their decisions. And migri confirms there's nothing wrong with my application and I just should wait.

Phew. Please say something reassuring so I don't lose my faith entirely.

Exactly, now they changed the policy that they can not give 9 months timeline anymore, they can just say 9-31. I called them on december and they said that my application would take 9 months but then I called again last week and then they had a new update that they could not give 9 months anymore, only thing they know is 9-31. They said my application is normal and nothing wrong with it, but just wait then.

I was so dissapointed because it seems that, they do not care how we feel anymore, we are more and more losing tracks with our applications. The only we know now is 9-31, anytime in between.

I am frustrated because I can not travel, I can but then I do not want to travel when i am in the middle of something and it does not give me joy or peace to travel. I told them about that and then they said, please wait patiently.

[Maaria]

Hi! Anyone from March 2024 has any updates?

I've become really desperate to receive the decision in January.

I was on a fast queue since I'm married to a finnish citizen. I applied 20ish March and received a diary number a week later. Last year I was told the maximum waiting time is 9 months. I called them in December asking about update, the told me I should expect it very soon. I called them again this week and they said now they can't say how long is processing time as it is 9-31 months for everyone now starting from January 1st. My life is a nightmare, I wake up and check my email first thing in the morning.
The reason I'm so frustrated is that I can not plan my life any further until I get my decision. I can't travel, I can't have business trips, I can't apply for any interesting projects abroad just because I'm waiting and changes to my situation might affect the decision.
What I don't understand even more is that some people who applied later than me have already received their decisions. And migri confirms there's nothing wrong with my application and I just should wait.

Phew. Please say something reassuring so I don't lose my faith entirely.

You are not alone. I applied on July 2023, I have finnish wife and high income. The reason why Im waiting so long is because Im enterpreneur, and we are in separate long migri queue. Sometimes I just think it is just a price to make more than others or part of "interesting" life of risk takers. Sometimes I have a lot of stress about this too, but now I mamage it much better than year ago.

p.s. when I see how many people with finnish passport struggle these days beacuse of job loss, but Im afloat, I always tell myself that it is not all that bad and will be even better after all this ends. i.e. the streess because of this can be converted to useful innovation energy.

Someone from this forum contacted chancelor of justice about long queue and they did do an investigation and made a statement. Maybe someone who is an entrepreneur and have been waiting for a long time should contact chamceor of justice and ask them why being an entrepreneur translates being put in the long queue. It's not that they are doing some checks all that time. The applications just sit in the queue unti it starts processing. So then migri needs to have a valid reason for automatically placing the entrepreneurs in the long queue.

[Sonora Desert]

Citizens of the European Union, how long have you been waiting for your decision?
I’ve been waiting for 9 months, since 5 April 2024. My number is 30xx.

EU citizen, waitink since 2nd of April 2024, 28xx

I’m trying to figure out if EU citizens are all in the long line or not.

[TUserFin]

Hi! Anyone from March 2024 has any updates?

I've become really desperate to receive the decision in January.

I was on a fast queue since I'm married to a finnish citizen. I applied 20ish March and received a diary number a week later. Last year I was told the maximum waiting time is 9 months. I called them in December asking about update, the told me I should expect it very soon. I called them again this week and they said now they can't say how long is processing time as it is 9-31 months for everyone now starting from January 1st. My life is a nightmare, I wake up and check my email first thing in the morning.
The reason I'm so frustrated is that I can not plan my life any further until I get my decision. I can't travel, I can't have business trips, I can't apply for any interesting projects abroad just because I'm waiting and changes to my situation might affect the decision.
What I don't understand even more is that some people who applied later than me have already received their decisions. And migri confirms there's nothing wrong with my application and I just should wait.

Phew. Please say something reassuring so I don't lose my faith entirely.

You are not alone. I applied on July 2023, I have finnish wife and high income. The reason why Im waiting so long is because Im enterpreneur, and we are in separate long migri queue. Sometimes I just think it is just a price to make more than others or part of "interesting" life of risk takers. Sometimes I have a lot of stress about this too, but now I mamage it much better than year ago.

p.s. when I see how many people with finnish passport struggle these days beacuse of job loss, but Im afloat, I always tell myself that it is not all that bad and will be even better after all this ends. i.e. the streess because of this can be converted to useful innovation energy.

Someone from this forum contacted chancelor of justice about long queue and they did do an investigation and made a statement. Maybe someone who is an entrepreneur and have been waiting for a long time should contact chamceor of justice and ask them why being an entrepreneur translates being put in the long queue. It's not that they are doing some checks all that time. The applications just sit in the queue unti it starts processing. So then migri needs to have a valid reason for automatically placing the entrepreneurs in the long queue.

In short, they need to check that our income is coming from legal activities which cannot be done quickly or automatically. So if person is employed or doesn't work, than the job for them is easier - feels weird, but this is how the world works here.

[Päivänkakkara]

March 2023 here, entrepreneur

I am prepared to wait for 31 months and I am gonna live my life in full every single day of the waiting time.
We cannot allow Migri or anyone else steal joy and time of our lives, our time with children and friends because their not transparent processes.

I, personally, have travelled TWICE during my permanent residence processing time, and these trips were full of happiness and new impressions for me and my child.

Anyone from 2022 still here?

[Sergo]

Hi! Anyone from March 2024 has any updates?

I've become really desperate to receive the decision in January.

I was on a fast queue since I'm married to a finnish citizen. I applied 20ish March and received a diary number a week later. Last year I was told the maximum waiting time is 9 months. I called them in December asking about update, the told me I should expect it very soon. I called them again this week and they said now they can't say how long is processing time as it is 9-31 months for everyone now starting from January 1st. My life is a nightmare, I wake up and check my email first thing in the morning.
The reason I'm so frustrated is that I can not plan my life any further until I get my decision. I can't travel, I can't have business trips, I can't apply for any interesting projects abroad just because I'm waiting and changes to my situation might affect the decision.
What I don't understand even more is that some people who applied later than me have already received their decisions. And migri confirms there's nothing wrong with my application and I just should wait.

Phew. Please say something reassuring so I don't lose my faith entirely.

Exactly, now they changed the policy that they can not give 9 months timeline anymore, they can just say 9-31. I called them on december and they said that my application would take 9 months but then I called again last week and then they had a new update that they could not give 9 months anymore, only thing they know is 9-31. They said my application is normal and nothing wrong with it, but just wait then.

I was so dissapointed because it seems that, they do not care how we feel anymore, we are more and more losing tracks with our applications. The only we know now is 9-31, anytime in between.

I am frustrated because I can not travel, I can but then I do not want to travel when i am in the middle of something and it does not give me joy or peace to travel. I told them about that and then they said, please wait patiently.

Hello, you are not alone, I have been waiting since August 2022.

[Maaria]

Hi! Anyone from March 2024 has any updates?

I've become really desperate to receive the decision in January.

I was on a fast queue since I'm married to a finnish citizen. I applied 20ish March and received a diary number a week later. Last year I was told the maximum waiting time is 9 months. I called them in December asking about update, the told me I should expect it very soon. I called them again this week and they said now they can't say how long is processing time as it is 9-31 months for everyone now starting from January 1st. My life is a nightmare, I wake up and check my email first thing in the morning.
The reason I'm so frustrated is that I can not plan my life any further until I get my decision. I can't travel, I can't have business trips, I can't apply for any interesting projects abroad just because I'm waiting and changes to my situation might affect the decision.
What I don't understand even more is that some people who applied later than me have already received their decisions. And migri confirms there's nothing wrong with my application and I just should wait.

Phew. Please say something reassuring so I don't lose my faith entirely.

Exactly, now they changed the policy that they can not give 9 months timeline anymore, they can just say 9-31. I called them on december and they said that my application would take 9 months but then I called again last week and then they had a new update that they could not give 9 months anymore, only thing they know is 9-31. They said my application is normal and nothing wrong with it, but just wait then.

I was so dissapointed because it seems that, they do not care how we feel anymore, we are more and more losing tracks with our applications. The only we know now is 9-31, anytime in between.

I am frustrated because I can not travel, I can but then I do not want to travel when i am in the middle of something and it does not give me joy or peace to travel. I told them about that and then they said, please wait patiently.

Hello, you are not alone, I have been waiting since August 2022.

You are also an entrepreneur?

[Maaria]

You are not alone. I applied on July 2023, I have finnish wife and high income. The reason why Im waiting so long is because Im enterpreneur, and we are in separate long migri queue. Sometimes I just think it is just a price to make more than others or part of "interesting" life of risk takers. Sometimes I have a lot of stress about this too, but now I mamage it much better than year ago.

p.s. when I see how many people with finnish passport struggle these days beacuse of job loss, but Im afloat, I always tell myself that it is not all that bad and will be even better after all this ends. i.e. the streess because of this can be converted to useful innovation energy.

Someone from this forum contacted chancelor of justice about long queue and they did do an investigation and made a statement. Maybe someone who is an entrepreneur and have been waiting for a long time should contact chamceor of justice and ask them why being an entrepreneur translates being put in the long queue. It's not that they are doing some checks all that time. The applications just sit in the queue unti it starts processing. So then migri needs to have a valid reason for automatically placing the entrepreneurs in the long queue.

In short, they need to check that our income is coming from legal activities which cannot be done quickly or automatically. So if person is employed or doesn't work, than the job for them is easier - feels weird, but this is how the world works here.

If they are checking, it is understandable. But they let the applications sitting there for 2 years and then they start processinf.